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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I have heard some voices stating that the regular season officials make mistakes also... And that is very correct but here is my take and my problem. Missing a holding call, calling holding when it didn't happen, bad ball spotting, ...

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Old 08-20-2012, 12:30 PM   #1
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Issues Scrub Officials.

I have heard some voices stating that the regular season officials make mistakes also... And that is very correct but here is my take and my problem.

Missing a holding call, calling holding when it didn't happen, bad ball spotting, questionable pass interference calls all human error both this preseason and regular season.... It happens and not much can be done.

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Wrong calls, and not understanding the rules in the NFL is a huge fkin problem.

Back to back pass interference calls against the Jags moved the ball down field for them. In college a PI call is 15 yards, in the NFL its a spot foul. One Pi call was not pass interference, and the other was un-catchable which would negate that PI call also.
-Press Coverage according to NCAA Rules ...must disengage AFTER 5 ydrs OR it's a pass interference penalty...
- In the NFL contact is allowed. (with stipulations)

Officials spotting the ball on college hash and not PRO hash..

Runners being called down with out contact.

Spotting the ball where an incomplete pass was called then nailing the offense for delay of game as they try to figure out WTF? Only to have the ball re-spotted where it should have been in the first place.

One of my biggest problems especially for the Saints Offense that is rhythm oriented is that these replacement refs completely kill rhythm and make the games last way too long.

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What are the chances they are purposefully being this terrible to get the NFL to hurry up and re-contract their Professional brethren?

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Old 08-20-2012, 12:35 PM   #2
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Re: Issues Scrub Officials.

Yep. As I said, these guys are going to make a call that effects who wins and who loses a game. As we all know one game can be the difference between home field advantage and going on the road. If this happens to us I will ex ****ing splode. Any idea how the contract negotiations are going?

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Old 08-20-2012, 12:43 PM   #3
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Difficult to find where the negotiations are since 98% of whats on the web is about how badly the scrubs are.

What I am able to sift out is that both sides the NFL and the NFLRA are standing firm. With the NFL being of the opinion that the scrubs will "catch on", and the NFLRA watching the bloodbath that is the witch hunt of the scrubs... Which are witches.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:19 PM   #4
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Re: Issues Scrub Officials.

The regular refs do miss calls and make bad calls as well, but here's the difference:

With the regular refs, you usually look at the replay, sometimes in slo-mo, see the travesty, and then cry foul.
With the scabs, you don't need to watch the replay at all to see the travesty and cry foul.

The regular refs also seem to actually know the rules of NFL football.

And the regular refs don't get distracted staring at the cheerleaders.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:42 PM   #5
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Re: Issues Scrub Officials.

I don't think the refs do a bad job, especially considering the speed of the game and the crazy technical rules that are ever-increasing, and I think Roger greatly underestimates the value of the skills of the NFLRA. I've seen enough in the preseason to confirm this in my own mind. The NFL needs the real refs on the field, whether Roger wants to admit it or not.
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Re: Issues Scrub Officials.

I didn't stick with it 'til the end, but I noticed that the Steelers/Colts game last night was running kinda long and slow, too. That Jags game was three hours and fricking thirty five minutes, which is just insane. Three and a half hours is just TOO long for a regulation ordinary preseason football game. That is squarely on the refs.

Officials spotting the ball on college hash and not PRO hash..

Runners being called down with out contact.


I had not caught either of these happening, but these two are pretty huge IMHO. Confusing the rules of college ball with the pro rules kind of defeats the purpose of having different rules in the pros.
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I didn't stick with it 'til the end, but I noticed that the Steelers/Colts game last night was running kinda long and slow, too. That Jags game was three hours and fricking thirty five minutes, which is just insane. Three and a half hours is just TOO long for a regulation ordinary preseason football game. That is squarely on the refs.

Officials spotting the ball on college hash and not PRO hash..

Runners being called down with out contact.


I had not caught either of these happening, but these two are pretty huge IMHO. Confusing the rules of college ball with the pro rules kind of defeats the purpose of having different rules in the pros.
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What gets me is how NFL "experts" seem surprised at the mistakes being made. I don't know the numbers, but I would guess that a significant percentage of the refs from 2011 had at least 10 years of NFL experience. How can we expect refs with zero NFL experience to come even close to the level of expertise the regular refs show off? On top of that the regular refs make horrible calls, too.

I'm ready for the experienced refs to come back, but I cut these replacements some slack recognizing how tough their task is.
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These refs did not come off of a corner slinging hot dogs.... They ALL Officiate College football to some degree. Some for more years than the NFL refs have been in the NFL. The rule differences are only a handful, and I could understand if they threw a flag inadvertently then picked it up citing no foul, they don't. The call pass interference for no reason.. then FRIKKEN DO IT AGAIN THE NEXT PLAY!
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Want a good laugh..read this

Bob McNair on replacement refs: “I can’t see any difference”

If the NFL’s regular officials won’t get back to work until the NFL owners agree to pay them more, then they may remain locked out for a long time.

That’s what Texans owner Bob McNair suggested when he, along with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, talked about the officials lockout on CNBC’s Squawk Box. McNair said he hasn’t noticed an increase in bad calls this preseason and doesn’t believe the replacement officials are any threat to player safety.

“We have complaints, it doesn’t matter who’s officiating,” McNair said. “And we look back at it as to those calls that we think were bad calls, and we don’t have any more now than we had before. Now, clearly the officials that we have now are not as good professionally as the ones we’ve had, otherwise we would have had the others all along. But in terms of the impact on the game, I’ve been watching it and frankly I can’t see any difference. We have the same situation — we have some calls we don’t like, we have some that should have been made that weren’t made, but we don’t have any more, and the players are just as well protected. So I don’t think that safety is an issue at all.”

Goodell added that when the NFL last used replacement officials, in 2001, they called fewer penalties and got good reviews from players, coaches and fans. Although Goodell and the owners are paying lip service to the belief that the locked-out officials are the best in the business, and that the NFL wants to have the best officials on the field, no one from the ownership side seems overly concerned about the consequences of the lockout.

Bob McNair on replacement refs: “I can’t see any difference” | ProFootballTalk
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