Greg Schiano, Carl Nicks Discuss Facing Saints in Tampa Bay

10-18-2012, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

And they have pretty much given us hell for the past couple of years.

????

They give us hell IN MEANINGLESS GAMES. When the games count, or when the teams are lined up on the field at equal strength, we pretty much kinda own them.

L 20–26 @ Tampa WITH Sean Payton freakishly injured mid-game, still was a close game
W 27–16 @ home, we defeated the Bucs handily

W 31–6 @ Tampa BLOWOUT
L 13-23 @ home, meaningless, Drew pulled from the game a bit after halftime

W 38–7 @ Tampa, ridiculous beatdown
L 20–17 (OT) remember this was the game where Payton closed the playbook and the whole 2nd half we did nothing but hand off to Lynell Hamilton. Wound up being a meaningless game.

Jamessr · 10-18-2012, 04:07 PM

Its amazing how everyone seesm to know how exactly the front office handled Carl Nicks.
Yeah he left for 4 millions dollars more and that bad?
Wasn't Drew offered a few contracts that he turned down? Missed all of training camp too? Who knows had he shown up on time the offense might have been better the 1st 4 games.

Don't hate on Nicks, he doen wahtw as asked while he was paid. Can't fault a guy for that

Tobias-Reiper · 10-18-2012, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

Its amazing how everyone seesm to know how exactly the front office handled Carl Nicks.
Yeah he left for 4 millions dollars more and that bad?
Wasn't Drew offered a few contracts that he turned down? Missed all of training camp too? Who knows had he shown up on time the offense might have been better the 1st 4 games.

Don't hate on Nicks, he doen wahtw as asked while he was paid. Can't fault a guy for that

I guess I'll copy and paste from my previous post:
No issue with Nicks looking out for himself. But let him be honest and say "the Bucs had 4 mil more in salary cap and I took it", and not this crap about the Saints "letting him go" or "sending him packing" or that the Saints "didn't look at him as a premier player that could be a leader".

How he was handled? He was offered $56 mil, highest contract for a guard at the time, I beleive. That's how he was handled. He left for TB because they had enough cap room to offer him $60 mil.

You want to chase the money, fine. Be honest and say so. Not this crap about "letting you go" or "sending you packing" or "not thinking you were good enough."

D_it_up · 10-18-2012, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Especially the one about Marcus Dupree, he could have been the best RB ever but burned out really young

That was the first 30 for 30 show that I watched. It was awesome. He really was a man amongst boys. It's a shame to see "the next big thing" turn into "what could have been". Now I have every episode that Netflix has to offer on my instant queue.

Danno · 10-18-2012, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

I guess I'll copy and paste from my previous post:
No issue with Nicks looking out for himself. But let him be honest and say "the Bucs had 4 mil more in salary cap and I took it", and not this crap about the Saints "letting him go" or "sending him packing" or that the Saints "didn't look at him as a premier player that could be a leader".

How he was handled? He was offered $56 mil, highest contract for a guard at the time, I beleive. That's how he was handled. He left for TB because they had enough cap room to offer him $60 mil.

You want to chase the money, fine. Be honest and say so. Not this crap about "letting you go" or "sending you packing" or "not thinking you were good enough."

Exactly. THATS what evryone is pissed about. I don't blame him for chasing a few extra bucks, but don't piss on my leg and tell me its just raining.

FinSaint · 10-18-2012, 05:20 PM

That interview didn't really do him any favors, and I did lose some respect I have/had for him because of some of his answers, but regardless - I do think he is a great guard and I hope he finds success in his future career.

Anyway, I'm glad the Saints have Evans, because if it came down to choosing one of the two, I'd choose Evans over Nicks every time. And that decision is more based on the mental side, since Nicks had some clear problems with authority as was evidenced by the verbal fight he had with Kromer on the sideline last season.

I think Grubbs has been a good replacement for Nicks, the lack of running game isn't his fault and the pressure on Brees hasn't been coming from the interior of the O-line... and they saved some money by signing him.

Danno · 10-18-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

That interview didn't really do him any favors, and I did lose some respect I have/had for him because of some of his answers, but regardless - I do think he is a great guard and I hope he finds success in his future career.

Anyway, I'm glad the Saints have Evans, because if it came down to choosing one of the two, I'd choose Evans over Nicks every time. And that decision is more based on the mental side, since Nicks had some clear problems with authority as was evidenced by the verbal fight he had with Kromer on the sideline last season.

I think Grubbs has been a good replacement for Nicks, the lack of running game isn't his fault and the pressure on Brees hasn't been coming from the interior of the O-line... and they saved some money by signing him.

And Grubbs graded out as the best LG in the NFL (2 weeks ago) according to PFF, and Nicks was 15th. I think Evans was 8th.

Added, from a few weeks ago...

ProFootballFocus OG rankings so far this year...

1st - +7.7 grade - Ben Grubbs
3rd - +6.6 grade - Jahari Evans
18th - +2.2 grade - Carl Nicks

Also, OT's overall...

#54 Zach Strief
#57 Jermon Bushrod

FinSaint · 10-18-2012, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

And Grubbs graded out as the best LG in the NFL (2 weeks ago) according to PFF, and Nicks was 15th. I think Evans was 8th.

Added, from a few weeks ago...

Thanks for that info!

The Saints' tackles are a liability, but that won't change until next offseason when Bushrod probably leaves or takes a big pay-cut in the next contract, and Strief shouldn't be a starter to begin with, so I can't be too harsh on him.

I'm still hoping that Marcel Jones could be coached/groomed into a good RT, since the scouting reports on him do indicate that he has the physical requirements to be a good RT if he just improves on the technical side.

10-18-2012, 03:19 PM	#21
Threaded by SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by The Dude And they have pretty much given us hell for the past couple of years. ???? They give us hell IN MEANINGLESS GAMES. When the games count, or when the teams are lined up on the field at equal strength, we pretty much kinda own them. L 20–26 @ Tampa WITH Sean Payton freakishly injured mid-game, still was a close game W 27–16 @ home, we defeated the Bucs handily W 31–6 @ Tampa BLOWOUT L 13-23 @ home, meaningless, Drew pulled from the game a bit after halftime W 38–7 @ Tampa, ridiculous beatdown L 20–17 (OT) remember this was the game where Payton closed the playbook and the whole 2nd half we did nothing but hand off to Lynell Hamilton. Wound up being a meaningless game.
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10-18-2012, 04:07 PM	#22
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Greg Schiano, Carl Nicks Discuss Facing Saints in Tampa Bay Its amazing how everyone seesm to know how exactly the front office handled Carl Nicks. Yeah he left for 4 millions dollars more and that bad? Wasn't Drew offered a few contracts that he turned down? Missed all of training camp too? Who knows had he shown up on time the offense might have been better the 1st 4 games. Don't hate on Nicks, he doen wahtw as asked while he was paid. Can't fault a guy for that

10-18-2012, 04:37 PM	#23
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Greg Schiano, Carl Nicks Discuss Facing Saints in Tampa Bay Originally Posted by Jamessr Its amazing how everyone seesm to know how exactly the front office handled Carl Nicks. Yeah he left for 4 millions dollars more and that bad? Wasn't Drew offered a few contracts that he turned down? Missed all of training camp too? Who knows had he shown up on time the offense might have been better the 1st 4 games. Don't hate on Nicks, he doen wahtw as asked while he was paid. Can't fault a guy for that I guess I'll copy and paste from my previous post: No issue with Nicks looking out for himself. But let him be honest and say "the Bucs had 4 mil more in salary cap and I took it", and not this crap about the Saints "letting him go" or "sending him packing" or that the Saints "didn't look at him as a premier player that could be a leader". How he was handled? He was offered $56 mil, highest contract for a guard at the time, I beleive. That's how he was handled. He left for TB because they had enough cap room to offer him $60 mil. You want to chase the money, fine. Be honest and say so. Not this crap about "letting you go" or "sending you packing" or "not thinking you were good enough." Danno, SapperSaint and SaintsBro like this.
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10-18-2012, 04:54 PM	#24
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Greg Schiano, Carl Nicks Discuss Facing Saints in Tampa Bay Originally Posted by dizzle88 Especially the one about Marcus Dupree, he could have been the best RB ever but burned out really young That was the first 30 for 30 show that I watched. It was awesome. He really was a man amongst boys. It's a shame to see "the next big thing" turn into "what could have been". Now I have every episode that Netflix has to offer on my instant queue.

10-18-2012, 04:59 PM	#25
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,648	Re: Greg Schiano, Carl Nicks Discuss Facing Saints in Tampa Bay Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper I guess I'll copy and paste from my previous post: No issue with Nicks looking out for himself. But let him be honest and say "the Bucs had 4 mil more in salary cap and I took it", and not this crap about the Saints "letting him go" or "sending him packing" or that the Saints "didn't look at him as a premier player that could be a leader". How he was handled? He was offered $56 mil, highest contract for a guard at the time, I beleive. That's how he was handled. He left for TB because they had enough cap room to offer him $60 mil. You want to chase the money, fine. Be honest and say so. Not this crap about "letting you go" or "sending you packing" or "not thinking you were good enough." Exactly. THATS what evryone is pissed about. I don't blame him for chasing a few extra bucks, but don't piss on my leg and tell me its just raining.

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10-18-2012, 05:20 PM	#26
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: Greg Schiano, Carl Nicks Discuss Facing Saints in Tampa Bay That interview didn't really do him any favors, and I did lose some respect I have/had for him because of some of his answers, but regardless - I do think he is a great guard and I hope he finds success in his future career. Anyway, I'm glad the Saints have Evans, because if it came down to choosing one of the two, I'd choose Evans over Nicks every time. And that decision is more based on the mental side, since Nicks had some clear problems with authority as was evidenced by the verbal fight he had with Kromer on the sideline last season. I think Grubbs has been a good replacement for Nicks, the lack of running game isn't his fault and the pressure on Brees hasn't been coming from the interior of the O-line... and they saved some money by signing him.
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10-18-2012, 05:32 PM	#27
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,648	Re: Greg Schiano, Carl Nicks Discuss Facing Saints in Tampa Bay Originally Posted by FinSaint That interview didn't really do him any favors, and I did lose some respect I have/had for him because of some of his answers, but regardless - I do think he is a great guard and I hope he finds success in his future career. Anyway, I'm glad the Saints have Evans, because if it came down to choosing one of the two, I'd choose Evans over Nicks every time. And that decision is more based on the mental side, since Nicks had some clear problems with authority as was evidenced by the verbal fight he had with Kromer on the sideline last season. I think Grubbs has been a good replacement for Nicks, the lack of running game isn't his fault and the pressure on Brees hasn't been coming from the interior of the O-line... and they saved some money by signing him. And Grubbs graded out as the best LG in the NFL (2 weeks ago) according to PFF, and Nicks was 15th. I think Evans was 8th. Added, from a few weeks ago... ProFootballFocus OG rankings so far this year... 1st - +7.7 grade - Ben Grubbs 3rd - +6.6 grade - Jahari Evans 18th - +2.2 grade - Carl Nicks Also, OT's overall... #54 Zach Strief #57 Jermon Bushrod SapperSaint likes this.

10-18-2012, 07:22 PM	#28
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: Greg Schiano, Carl Nicks Discuss Facing Saints in Tampa Bay Originally Posted by Danno And Grubbs graded out as the best LG in the NFL (2 weeks ago) according to PFF, and Nicks was 15th. I think Evans was 8th. Added, from a few weeks ago... Thanks for that info! The Saints' tackles are a liability, but that won't change until next offseason when Bushrod probably leaves or takes a big pay-cut in the next contract, and Strief shouldn't be a starter to begin with, so I can't be too harsh on him. I'm still hoping that Marcel Jones could be coached/groomed into a good RT, since the scouting reports on him do indicate that he has the physical requirements to be a good RT if he just improves on the technical side.

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