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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; As of this morning, the New England Patriots and Chicago Bears have seven players scheduled to carry 2013 salary cap numbers of $3 million or higher. The New Orleans Saints have 15, including the gaudy $17.4 milion number quarterback Drew ...

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Old 11-12-2012, 01:10 PM   #1
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As of this morning, the New England Patriots and Chicago Bears have seven players scheduled to carry 2013 salary cap numbers of $3 million or higher. The New Orleans Saints have 15, including the gaudy $17.4 milion number quarterback Drew Brees will carry based on his new five-year deal signed in July.

Cap numbers, of course, can and will change. But as of today, the Saints are in major trouble if they're going to use any avenue except the fixed-cost NFL Draft to repair their defense in 2013. The 15 heaviest contracts the Saints have, as of this morning, take up 87 percent of their 2013 salary cap. The NFL is scheduled to have a cap number of about $121 million per team next year, though that varies from team to team depending on cap credits and money carried over from the previous season.

Think of that: The Saints have 28 percent of their 53-man roster taking up 87 percent of the cap room. And they'll be at least $25 million over the $121 million cap at the start of the free-agency period.

Player 2013 Salary

QB Drew Brees $17.40 million

DE Will Smith $14.50m

G Jahri Evans$9.86m

LB Jonathan Vilma $8.63m

WR Marques Colston $6.60m

G Ben Grubbs $7.30m

S Roman Harper $7.10m

LB Curtis Lofton $7.10m

CB Jabari Greer $5.42m

LB David Hawthorne $4.76m

DT Brodrick Bunkley $4.70m

WR Lance Moore $4.47m

CB Malcolm Jenkins $3.88m

RB Darren Sproles $3.75m

Of course, that will have to change. But even if the Saints can re-do huge pacts like Will Smith's, and even if they make a veteran such as Jonathan Vilma or David Hawthorne a cap casualty, the front office will still find it tough to keep this team intact for the long haul. (And cutting Vilma would still incur a $2.6 million cap charge for the 2013 portion of his pro-rated signing bonus.) How, for instance, will they be able to re-sign left tackle Jermon Bushrod, scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent?

As Mike Florio pointed out on NBC last night, the Saints now have a 13-week edge on the competition to get a valid contract done with Payton -- because Payton cannot be reinstated for at least 13 weeks, until the day after the Super Bowl, and thus can't speak to any other team about a job until then. New Orleans is the lead dog in the pursuit of Payton, and Dallas is a clear No. 2, though there's no guarantee the Cowboys' job will open up yet. For the record, some of the onerous cap numbers in 2013 that will weigh on Payton's decision are on the right.


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Re: An X-factor in the Sean Payton decision

We heard the same thing last year, and the year before.

Renegotiations and cap friendly contracts are what Loomis does best. I have absolutely ZERO worries we can improve this defense with both free-agents and draft picks.
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Mickey (The Magician) Loomis will get it done.
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Just like last year, we were over the cap and couldn't get the deal with Brees done. Somehow Loomis signs 4 stud FAs and gets Drew a monster contract, I'm not worried...
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Gaudy? Your a small man Peter King...
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Re: An X-factor in the Sean Payton decision

wow we pay Roman Harper more than Darren Sproles....
Just wow....
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wow we pay Roman Harper more than Darren Sproles....
Just wow....
We know that none of Harper's salary is used to buy Grecian Formula!

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wow we pay Roman Harper more than Darren Sproles....
Just wow....
Everyone on that list is paid more than Sproles.
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Re: An X-factor in the Sean Payton decision

Spotrac has some of the cap hits differently as presented on this article.

Vilma, as an example, has a cap hit of $6.5M next season and not $8.63M, so I don't know how trustworthy some of these numbers are?!

There are some minor discrepancies in some of the other cap hits as well, but none as big as the one in Vilma's cap hit.
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I feel confident will smith won't be making 14.5M, that's a big start.

I feel safe in saying that Harper won't earn over 7M next year.
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