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Old 06-30-2013, 03:11 PM   #31
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Is this disagreement still going on?

Look he's probably going to start and theres nothing anybody here can do to change that, let SP handle his duties and lets just cheer him on - he's a part of our team
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:57 PM   #32
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Re: Which Zach Strief Will Show Up in 2013?

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Is this disagreement still going on?

Look he's probably going to start and theres nothing anybody here can do to change that, let SP handle his duties and lets just cheer him on - he's a part of our team
Oh, we're discussing, not changing anything...

Sometimes Coaches, who have more information than anyone, can be too close to a situation and may have to take a step back...

Even Coach Payton took a couple of seasons to realize his good friend, confidant, and Defensive Coordinator Gary Gibbs needed to be replaced...

While we're impatient and underinformed, we also don't have the investment that the coaches have so we can be detached when we want to see guys like Harper, Shanle, Smith, Strief replaced as easily as a Madden substitution...

The coaches see these guys, befriend them, invest with them and so they're just not gonna say "well, that Roman Harper is awful in coverage and has got to go..."

And that could be good and could be bad - it's when it gets to the Colonel Jessup level where a coach is so arrogant and thinks he can "coach up" a Private Santiago when the goods just aren't there...

So the question for us is - At what level does Strief have the goods?!?

Danno rightfully pointed out his rankings by PFF which is a solid source...

But, you have to consider two facts - first, how much does the Drew factor affect the lineman's play? and second, while Strief has had some terrific games as a Utility lineman, can he play 16+ games a season, aka, is he Full Time?

I don't believe he's a full-time Tackle, but he's a great lineman who can fill-in and relieve a gassed Tackle and that would be his best role for the Saints...

But he's played hard, payed his dues, put in the work, and Coach probably needs to reward that to maintain credibility with the team...

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Old 06-30-2013, 09:52 PM   #33
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Oh, we're discussing, not changing anything...

Sometimes Coaches, who have more information than anyone, can be too close to a situation and may have to take a step back...

Even Coach Payton took a couple of seasons to realize his good friend, confidant, and Defensive Coordinator Gary Gibbs needed to be replaced...

While we're impatient and underinformed, we also don't have the investment that the coaches have so we can be detached when we want to see guys like Harper, Shanle, Smith, Strief replaced as easily as a Madden substitution...

The coaches see these guys, befriend them, invest with them and so they're just not gonna say "well, that Roman Harper is awful in coverage and has got to go..."

And that could be good and could be bad - it's when it gets to the Colonel Jessup level where a coach is so arrogant and thinks he can "coach up" a Private Santiago when the goods just aren't there...

So the question for us is - At what level does Strief have the goods?!?

Danno rightfully pointed out his rankings by PFF which is a solid source...

But, you have to consider two facts - first, how much does the Drew factor affect the lineman's play? and second, while Strief has had some terrific games as a Utility lineman, can he play 16+ games a season, aka, is he Full Time?

I don't believe he's a full-time Tackle, but he's a great lineman who can fill-in and relieve a gassed Tackle and that would be his best role for the Saints...

But he's played hard, payed his dues, put in the work, and Coach probably needs to reward that to maintain credibility with the team...
You said it all. Thread closed.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:07 AM   #34
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Re: Which Zach Strief Will Show Up in 2013?

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Clock only go forward young papz. Its what have you done for me lately.
You're about 10 years my junior.

The point is you get what you want, then you get it and want something else. At least now after everyone has corrected you... you can at least acknowledge he is not garbage which was an absolute exaggeration.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:13 AM   #35
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You're about 10 years my junior.

The point is you get what you want, then you get it and want something else. At least now after everyone has corrected you... you can at least acknowledge he is not garbage which was an absolute exaggeration.
Not corrected, just conceded arguing something that really can't be proven for either case. I couldn't find enough clips or the type of stats I was looking for to really prove my point. So we might as well let this season speak for itself. Remember, keep all eyes on Strief Father Papz. Lol.
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Not corrected, just conceded arguing something that really can't be proven for either case. I couldn't find any clips or the type of stats I was looking for to really prove my point. So we might as well let this season speak for itself. Remember, keep all eyes on Strief Papz. Lol.
I fixed it for you.
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I fixed it for you.
I found some instances on YouTube. Its just not enough to build the case to sway you all at the moment.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:22 AM   #38
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Re: Which Zach Strief Will Show Up in 2013?

I know.

There's not enough justification, stats, or videos anywhere to prove your point. Not surprising.
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I know.

There's not enough justification, stats, or videos anywhere to prove your point. Not surprising.
I couldn't find hurries allowed, which would help my point. YouTube just isn't full of Saints games/game highlights. I found the Saints Eagles game. Strief allowed a sack/fumble. I remember him getting that ass toasted against the Chiefs. He's the weak link of the line. But yall can have your way until the season starts. I'll make the hour drive back home to New Orleans to point it all out if need be.
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I'll correct you again.

Left tackle is the weak link of the line.
You're welcome.
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