2014 Saints offense

|Mitch| · 03-19-2014, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I'm not exactly sure what defines a "power run" game,

That would be what the 49ers did with Gore when Alex Smith was still the QB; run it down your throat or try....

ScottF · 03-19-2014, 06:30 PM

I don't think we need to add anything offensively. I have posted before that there is only one football, and the way we spread it around we have never overworked a player or had somebody get too many touches.
Collins and his 30 touches will be a memory quickly.
We will miss Sproles, but if that means our current 3 backs getting 3-4 more carries or receptions each, they can certainly handle that

Utah_Saint · 03-19-2014, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

That would be what the 49ers did with Gore when Alex Smith was still the QB; run it down your throat or try....

I must be missing something. (Please bare with me, it happens a lot)

Those were some terrible offenses.

Offensive ranking:
2006 - 26th
2007 - 32nd
2008 - 23rd
2009 - 27th
2010 - 24th
2011 - 26th

Why would we want to transition to something like that? Is there an advantage to it?

And wasn't San Fran always looking for a complimentary back to Gore, small quick guys like Brian Westbrook and Kendall Hunter?

|Mitch| · 03-19-2014, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I must be missing something. (Please bare with me, it happens a lot)

Those were some terrible offenses.

Offensive ranking:
2006 - 26th
2007 - 32nd
2008 - 23rd
2009 - 27th
2010 - 24th
2011 - 26th

Why would we want to transition to something like that? Is there an advantage to it?

And wasn't San Fran always looking for a complimentary back to Gore, small quick guys like Brian Westbrook and Kendall Hunter?

Big run blocking offensive linemen and a brutal running back, better resemblance is the Lynch run against us in the 2010 playoffs

Utah_Saint · 03-19-2014, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Big run blocking offensive linemen and a brutal running back, better resemblance is the Lynch run against us in the 2010 playoffs

Seattle's offense with Lynch isn't a lot better than the Smith/Gore offense of the 9ers.

Seattle's offensive yardage since Lynch got there;

2010 - 28th
2011 - 28th
2012 - 17th
2013 - 18th

rezburna · 03-20-2014, 01:01 AM

I just think we need somebody with game breaking speed. It doesn't have to be a scat back. I always felt like overall, we aren't a very fast team. Especially at running back, DB, and WR. Now when Meacham and Henderson were younger and we had Reggie...slightly different story offensively. You gotta respect speed defensively.

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halloween 65 · 03-20-2014, 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

The power run game is useless on 3rd and 12.

You gotta have a shifty speed guy for those 3rd and long packages.

And if you're playing a big mauling defense without much sideline to sideline speed in their front 7, I'd sure like to have that guy who can turn the corner on them all game long, and destroy them with screens, pitchouts, draws and delays.

Unless your front line can out muscle their front line. 3rd and 12 or 3rd and 22 are passing situations anyway. The way I see it a power run game you should be in a much better position than 3rd and 12 maybe a 3rd and 1 or a 3rd and 2, much better odds than a cute screen when they know your going to run but can't stop it + their D should get tired much easier having to exert more energy. Win, win in my book. Off of play action Brees kills.

halloween 65 · 03-20-2014, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Seattle's offense with Lynch isn't a lot better than the Smith/Gore offense of the 9ers.

Seattle's offensive yardage since Lynch got there;

2010 - 28th
2011 - 28th
2012 - 17th
2013 - 18th

2013 Superbowl.

Jack Vegas · 03-20-2014, 01:01 PM

Speed on offense is overrated. Even with "slow" RBs and WRs you can get 7-8 yards at a time when your offense is a well-oiled machine. I'd way rather have those 15-play, 90-yard drives that kill 8 or 9 minutes off the clock. That's way more demoralizing to the other team than the quick strike, and it keeps your own defense fresh.

That doesn't necessarily mean we have to go ground-n-pound, but you gotta have the ability to get those 3rd and 2's running the ball. Otherwise I like the general structure of our offense, which is still ball-control offense despite so many passing attempts because of the very high completion percentage.

03-19-2014, 06:11 PM	#11
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 2014 Saints offense Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I'm not exactly sure what defines a "power run" game, That would be what the 49ers did with Gore when Alex Smith was still the QB; run it down your throat or try.... halloween 65 likes this.

03-19-2014, 06:30 PM	#12
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: 2014 Saints offense I don't think we need to add anything offensively. I have posted before that there is only one football, and the way we spread it around we have never overworked a player or had somebody get too many touches. Collins and his 30 touches will be a memory quickly. We will miss Sproles, but if that means our current 3 backs getting 3-4 more carries or receptions each, they can certainly handle that Utah_Saint likes this.

03-19-2014, 06:36 PM	#13
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: 2014 Saints offense Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| That would be what the 49ers did with Gore when Alex Smith was still the QB; run it down your throat or try.... I must be missing something. (Please bare with me, it happens a lot) Those were some terrible offenses. Offensive ranking: 2006 - 26th 2007 - 32nd 2008 - 23rd 2009 - 27th 2010 - 24th 2011 - 26th Why would we want to transition to something like that? Is there an advantage to it? And wasn't San Fran always looking for a complimentary back to Gore, small quick guys like Brian Westbrook and Kendall Hunter?

03-19-2014, 07:01 PM	#14
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 2014 Saints offense Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I must be missing something. (Please bare with me, it happens a lot) Those were some terrible offenses. Offensive ranking: 2006 - 26th 2007 - 32nd 2008 - 23rd 2009 - 27th 2010 - 24th 2011 - 26th Why would we want to transition to something like that? Is there an advantage to it? And wasn't San Fran always looking for a complimentary back to Gore, small quick guys like Brian Westbrook and Kendall Hunter? Big run blocking offensive linemen and a brutal running back, better resemblance is the Lynch run against us in the 2010 playoffs

03-19-2014, 10:58 PM	#15
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: 2014 Saints offense Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Big run blocking offensive linemen and a brutal running back, better resemblance is the Lynch run against us in the 2010 playoffs Seattle's offense with Lynch isn't a lot better than the Smith/Gore offense of the 9ers. Seattle's offensive yardage since Lynch got there; 2010 - 28th 2011 - 28th 2012 - 17th 2013 - 18th

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03-20-2014, 01:01 AM	#16
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,657	Re: 2014 Saints offense I just think we need somebody with game breaking speed. It doesn't have to be a scat back. I always felt like overall, we aren't a very fast team. Especially at running back, DB, and WR. Now when Meacham and Henderson were younger and we had Reggie...slightly different story offensively. You gotta respect speed defensively. Danno likes this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2014 Saints offense Originally Posted by Danno The power run game is useless on 3rd and 12. You gotta have a shifty speed guy for those 3rd and long packages. And if you're playing a big mauling defense without much sideline to sideline speed in their front 7, I'd sure like to have that guy who can turn the corner on them all game long, and destroy them with screens, pitchouts, draws and delays. Unless your front line can out muscle their front line. 3rd and 12 or 3rd and 22 are passing situations anyway. The way I see it a power run game you should be in a much better position than 3rd and 12 maybe a 3rd and 1 or a 3rd and 2, much better odds than a cute screen when they know your going to run but can't stop it + their D should get tired much easier having to exert more energy. Win, win in my book. Off of play action Brees kills.

03-20-2014, 04:56 AM	#19
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2014 Saints offense Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Seattle's offense with Lynch isn't a lot better than the Smith/Gore offense of the 9ers. Seattle's offensive yardage since Lynch got there; 2010 - 28th 2011 - 28th 2012 - 17th 2013 - 18th 2013 Superbowl.

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: 2014 Saints offense Speed on offense is overrated. Even with "slow" RBs and WRs you can get 7-8 yards at a time when your offense is a well-oiled machine. I'd way rather have those 15-play, 90-yard drives that kill 8 or 9 minutes off the clock. That's way more demoralizing to the other team than the quick strike, and it keeps your own defense fresh. That doesn't necessarily mean we have to go ground-n-pound, but you gotta have the ability to get those 3rd and 2's running the ball. Otherwise I like the general structure of our offense, which is still ball-control offense despite so many passing attempts because of the very high completion percentage.
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