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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL OK. Um, that's not how I read it. I'm not trying to muddy the waters any more than they already are... That is absolutely correct. The Rams original 1st round pick this year is #12. So ...

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Old 04-17-2014, 05:30 AM   #21
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Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
OK.







Um, that's not how I read it. I'm not trying to muddy the waters any more than they already are...







That is absolutely correct. The Rams original 1st round pick this year is #12. So as stated before the only picks that could be given in compensation are the Rams' original 2014 pick, #12, and their first round 2015 pick.



But to reiterate, this is only for compensation if the Rams were to sign JG to an offer sheet and the Saints declined to match it.







Now this is one of the items I wanted to clear up. The Rams have another 2014 1st round draft pick. It is the #2 pick. It is the pick of the Washington Redskins that was traded as part of the package to draft RG3 in 2012.



So the Rams are not shopping a 2nd round pick. They are shopping their 1st round pick #2.



Since this isn't an original draft pick for the team, it cannot be a part of any compensation package for signing JG to an offer.



The second item I wanted to address is the thinking that the Saints really have a way that they can trade JG at this point. They cannot. JG is not under contract. Because of the franchise tag, the Saints retain the right of matching an offer. But since JG does not have a contract with the team at this time, the Saints have no ability to trade JG. JG is a franchised free agent. He is a free agent. I say again, he is a free agent. But with the tag, it'll cost any team two original draft picks to sign him. And that's only if the Saints then decline to match.



Of course I think the point is just about as moot as the discussion two years ago with the crazy idea that Brees and the Saints were somehow not going to come to an agreement.



Several months ago I gave the timeline. We're right on schedule. Next up is the end of this week with the deadline for filing a grievance on the tag to have JG upgraded to WR. It will happen. JG should fire Jimmy Sexton, his agent, if it doesn't. It means nothing.



Next will be the ruling. JG will most likely retain the TE tag. One way or the other this means a bit more because whoever wins will have a bit more negotiating leverage.



You can then put it on snooze during OTAs. JG will not be there. He'll take his vacation, head to Miami and work out most likely.



Wake up about July 10th for the upcoming July 15th deadline for signing the tender. JG will do that. Jimmy Sexton and Mickey Loomis should be ironing out the final details about this time.



Third week of July, a big signing will be announced just in time for training camp.



I said it several months ago. I reiterate it now. It's going to play out exactly as specified.



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Again read the OP, and you'll see I was interpreting his post, if you read it you'll see his reference to a 2nd round pick. I am fully aware of the options and steps concerning Graham, I have pages and pages here where I have outlined how the CBA governs it ~ ad nauseam. Just search for threads titled "trade Graham"
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Old 04-17-2014, 11:40 AM   #22
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Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
Again read the OP, and you'll see I was interpreting his post, if you read it you'll see his reference to a 2nd round pick.
I did. He is referring to 2014, rd 1, #2. Not a rd 2 pick.

I am fully aware of the options and steps concerning Graham, I have pages and pages here where I have outlined how the CBA governs it ~ ad nauseam. Just search for threads titled "trade Graham"
I'm fully aware you are up to speed. The rest of it was simply reiteration.

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Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

I know it's a boring offseason, but is this the best we can do?
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Re: Remember when we thought Graham could be traded to the rams?

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL View Post
I did. He is referring to 2014, rd 1, #2. Not a rd 2 pick.

The OP is unclear; if so, they received from Washington and is ineligible as a compensation pick for Graham but is a pick they can freely do as they wish with....

The more we try to understand and explain of this thread the more convoluted it becomes.
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Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
The OP is unclear;
It wasn't crystal I admit. I keyed on the fact that the OP called it the 'number 2' pick not the 'round 2' pick. And the specific reference about it being a pick that was traded.
if so, they received from Washington and is ineligible as a compensation pick
Correct as usual.
for Graham but is a pick they can freely do as they wish with....
and again so.

The more we try to understand and explain of this thread the more convoluted it becomes.
It's pretty clear to you and I as far as I can see. Compensation picks have to be ORIGINAL first round picks. The Rams original pick is the Rd 1, #12 pick for 2014.

I think it's just frustration that the rules do not allow for any draft pick to be used as compensation.

Saintsfan403, I like boring offseasons. No drama means that we can expect quite a bit of production come the regular season. Would you really like to be a SF fan right now for example? I think not.

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Has this thread set the record for the longest, foggiest thread of all time yet?
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I know the difference.
Maybe have not explained it properly though. Ill retype it later. My point is that I get we would received 2 of the Rams number one picks (2014/15) pick if the made Graham a offer we didn't match. What im saying is that the team receiving the picks should be able to choose to use the second oick (2015) at the end of the 2014 draft as they are the team loosing talent.

The second part is just my thoughts on compensatory picks in the draft. I do not like the way some teams play it to get multiple additional picks in rounds 3/4/5.
Yeah, I'm not digging the way the compensatory picks are handed out. It flat out opens the door for favoritism.
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