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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; That is the most rediculous thing I\'ve ever seen you post. Shame on you. Maybe Parcells will yeild to the fans in Dallas next year. Uh huh...a coach should pay attention to the drunk (well, at least some of \'em..hehe) ...

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Old 01-08-2003, 04:12 PM   #21
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That is the most rediculous thing I\'ve ever seen you post. Shame on you. Maybe Parcells will yeild to the fans in Dallas next year. Uh huh...a coach should pay attention to the drunk (well, at least some of \'em..hehe) fans screaming in the stands. Oh yeah, that\'ll save his job. Just listen to the fans in the cheap seats Jim...they\'ll tell you what to do. hehehe...not on your life. Shame, shame, shame on you Saintz08.
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Old 01-08-2003, 04:37 PM   #22
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When this comment comes from one of the few reporters at the private screening , I am not to sure that thought is too far off .

I asked one of them the similar question .

Was Haslett seeing only his commitment to Brooks , when he should have been seeing a commitment to win ??

His answer was : \" Haslett\'s commitment is actually to the future of the team. He\'s not
sure that inserting Delhomme would have been the answer to the
situation\".

So was Haslett committed to win the Carolina game or was he committed to making sure Brooks frail ego stayed in tact ? Was Haslett commited to getting into the play offs this year ? No , not if it started a quarterback controversy .

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Old 01-08-2003, 05:00 PM   #23
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Even if that were the case, and I seriously doubt it was, I wouldn\'t see it as such a bad idea. We all know the defense wasn\'t gonna allow us to get very far. Why not get Brooks some experience? Why give the \"fans\" and the media ammunition? Let us please remember that Jim played the game at the PRO level. I\'m pretty sure he\'s heard some awefully stupid things yelled by fans and printed by the media.
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Old 01-08-2003, 06:20 PM   #24
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Why not get Brooks some experience? Why give the \"fans\" and the media ammunition?

To quote Herm Edwards, who by the way, led his team into the playoffs and a 41-0 first round win:

\"HELLO! YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!\"

If Haslett is playing for next year\'s team this year, he should be fired right now. In the NFL you play to win every single snap. Every situation, and certainly, every game. If you don\'t know that Saintfan, then I can\'t belive you understand how things are done in the NFL.
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Old 01-08-2003, 07:09 PM   #25
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This statement is fastly becoming my favorite .

We all know the defense wasn\'t gonna allow us to get very far.

First off we are all probably aware of the fact that the Rams won the Superbowl with a lousy defense , but that aside what would a play off appearance have done ?

1. Additional team revenue
2. Additional media attention
3. Boosted next years ranking - always good when trying to lure free agents at a good price
4. Gotten the monkey off the back of the organization as a whole
5. Bolstered fan support
6. Prime time appearances could have been easier to get , a little MNF .
7. Additional player revenue
8. Given the team as a whole something to build on

Even if the Saints had got there and lost , they still would have gotten there . But instead they proved they cannot , when the pressure is on they tank out . Leading some to believe that the year they did get there was pure luck .

Brooks proved he was smart in one way this year . He held out at the beginning of the season and did not have to prove he could lead the team to the play offs for the big contract .......

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Old 01-09-2003, 12:56 AM   #26
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PFW - Reports

Saints’ Brooks to have arthroscopic surgery on right shoulder

QB Aaron Brooks, whose passing numbers dipped during the Saints\' season-ending, three-game losing streak, will undergo arthroscopic surgery on Jan. 17 to reattach a tendon in his right shoulder. Despite the injury, Brooks played instead of backup Jake Delhomme in the season finale vs. Carolina, a game the Saints lost 10-6 to cost them a playoff berth. New Orleans needed to win only one of its last three games to reach the playoffs. The Saints said Brooks\' injury did not affect his throwing motion enough to keep him out of the lineup.

PFW: Is the shoulder to blame for the Saints\' collapse?

Edholm: I am not buying it. The high and low points of the season for the Saints might have happened in their Sunday night win in Week 13 over the Buccaneers. The win put them, temporarily, in the serious hunt for the NFC South title holding a nice tiebreaker with two wins over Tampa Bay. But Brooks hurt his shoulder in that game, being relieved for a series by Delhomme. Brooks also was replaced the next week by Delhomme (7-of-8 passing for 103 yards), who looked good in the Saints’ win over Baltimore.

But the team stubbornly went back to Brooks down the stretch with three losing teams on its plate — two of the games at home. Brooks completed just 28-of-69 passes in the final two games and lacked his usual zip on the ball. Let’s face it: Brooks was not himself, and either he was lying to the medical staff about how hurt he was or the medical staff was lying to all of us. Be it bravery or ignorance, Brooks let his team down — either by not listening to his body or the team doctors and by not taking himself out of the lineup. Either way, the Saints are out of the playoffs.

Now the Saints must strongly consider re-signing Delhomme, an unrestricted free agent, as insurance in case Brooks can’t recover by minicamp.


Saintsfan - Please note the word \" Stubbornly \" used to describe how Haslett made his quarterbacking choice . Coffees brewin

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Old 01-09-2003, 08:09 AM   #27
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There is a reason Jim didn\'t put Jake in. You can speculate about it all you want. All the guys at ESPN...the \"experts\" we ragged on all season long in this forum -- the ones you guys are now quick to side with as if they have all the answers -- the same ones who said Aikman wasn\'t smart enough to play in the NFL -- the same ones that don\'t know the rules regarding a field goal attempt on 3rd down as evidenced by last weeks playoff game -- the same ones that didn\'t give the Saints a snowballs chance this season -- the same ones who, when they were players (the ones who were actually players) didn\'t give a rats ass about what the sportswriters and \"experts\" said about their play on the field...can speculate all they want. Ask Bill Parcells (or any coach) what his opinion of sportswriters and ESPN analysts is. I can speculate all I want. The bottom line is it\'s all speculation, and Jake didn\'t go in for a reason. At some point ya\'ll are just gonna have to get over it. Obviously, the team thought they had a better chance to win with Brooks. WhoDat can type rediculousness all day if he wants. Surely no one in here, myself included, thinks Jim tanked the last game on purpose. I think he was fairly pissed in the halftime interview. I believe it was the players who tanked the game. Maybe we would have won with Jake in there, and then again maybe we wouldn\'t have won. I don\'t think Jake would have done any better running for his life than AB did. Maybe if Jake throws a perfect pass to Reed, just maybe, Reed catches it...then again, maybe he drops it, just like he dropped the one AB threw to him.

As far as the Rams go, we had a good offense this year, but we didn\'t have that Rams offense from a few years ago. No sir whodat. Nice try, but no sir, and if you think we could have won the big game this year with the defense we had, \"then I can\'t belive you understand how things are done in the NFL\".

You guys wanna scream AB sucks, plain and simple. Now we discover he\'s hurt so you guys wanna say he was selfish and cost us games. You\'re probably the same people that admire Brett Farve for playing hurt. Well, are ya? Which way do you want it? The bottom line is you want Jake as the QB, and you\'ll use any and every angle you can regardless of whether or not it makes sense. I\'ve been fightin\' that battle with Saintz08 all season long. NOW you wanna tie Haz into it too. Just how many points per game does the offense have to average before you people give up? How many dropped balls (over 60 this year) do you have to witness before you begin the think Brooks, while young and still learning, isn\'t the man to point your wicked little fingers at when something goes wrong EVERY TIME? How many times to you people have to see Brooks running for his life before you realize our offensive line didn\'t exactly over achieve in pass blocking this year? Maybe you\'re just satisfied listening to SportsCenter.

Look deeper people. Realize this team has some serious talent (not much of it on defense), and realize they\'re young. Give Jim, in his first Head Coaching Job, a chance to right the ship. Two years ago there were some serious attitude problems that people generally point to as the reason for the tank job that happened at the end of the season. I can\'t think Roaf accusing Horn of doing his wife had much to do with Haz. I don\'t think Jim can be blamed for a player stealing money. How many of you cheered when Turley tossed the helment? This is the same guy who was fined by the team, right? There\'s a good chance he cost us that game right? Yet you all swear by his \"fire\" and \"emotion\". Did the Saints do the right thing by taking issue with him over it? You bet you\'re beans and rice they did the right thing. If Kyle wants to leave...SEE YA. Dig deep people. Don\'t be so quick to holler for the sake of hollering.

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Old 01-09-2003, 09:54 AM   #28
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Oh my dear Saintfan. First, I think you\'re a little confused at some of the things that I have said. I don\'t think Haslett did, or has ever, intentionally tried to lose a game.

Second, I don\'t know if this team could have gone all the way this year. I do know that it beat just about every good team it played. The defense is definitely a bigger problem than anything the offense can offer. However, the offense\'s biggest problem is Brooks. Period.

You play in this league to make the playoffs and have a shot at a Super Bowl. If you need reasons why, go back and look at 08\'s post. You\'re damn right I want Delhomme. Again, I said I wanted him early in the season, when people in here told me I was nuts. Bottom line is that he is the right quarterback for this system.

Look around saintfan. How many people are running to back you on Brooks? How many people in the world back you on Brooks? Haslett and the coaching staff do. Great. Ditka said that Rickey Williams would put the Saints in the Super Bowl. Wake up buddy, Brooks is NOT the answer.

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Old 01-09-2003, 10:22 AM   #29
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I can\'t tell you definitively if Brooks is the answer cause I don\'t work in the French Quarter telling fortunes. I can\'t tell you definitively that Jake is the answer either. What I\'m wondering is how you think you can.

To tell you the truth, I\'m not at all worried about what a handful of people in this forum think about Brooks. NON of us are paid to evaluate talent in the NFL. We don\'t see practice, we don\'t hang out in the locker room, and we don\'t play the games. Forgive me if I decide to give more credibility to Jim Haslett than I give to you, Saintz08, and Gatorman. What MUST I be thinking?

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Old 01-09-2003, 10:30 AM   #30
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Hey man, I\'m not knocking you for giving more credit to the coaching staff. Good decision. How exactly do you know what they think though? I haven\'t heard one straight sentence out of Haslett in God knows how long.

And I have not said that Jake is definitely the answer for the Saints. I\'ve said that Aaron is not. Hokie Gajan agrees with me. He said on air that Aaron Brooks will not lead the Saints to a Super Bowl. There\'s a guy who played in the league for a long time. Jake may or may not be a great QB waiting to shine. He may be an average QB who is better for this system... or not. The point is that we don\'t know. What we do know is that Brooks, at least at this point, is average at best. The potential, for which he was so touted, has not, as of yet, developed into anything tangible.

Of course, I don\'t know why we\'re still having this discussion. You still can\'t list one thing Brooks does well, let alone five or more. I listed that many things that he does poorly.

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