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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; In Sean Payton's defense; He was only out-coached on Sundays, Mondays and Thursdays this year. We are the most predictable team in football thanks to "brilliant" coaching. I see him with Jacksonville next year. And he can take Rob with ...

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Old 12-21-2014, 10:41 PM   #41
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Re: Now that the season is over who do you NOT want back?

In Sean Payton's defense; He was only out-coached on Sundays, Mondays and Thursdays this year. We are the most predictable team in football thanks to "brilliant" coaching. I see him with Jacksonville next year. And he can take Rob with him.

If we believe in Drew, then we need to turn over the play calling to him.
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Old 12-21-2014, 10:45 PM   #42
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In Sean Payton's defense; He was only out-coached on Sundays, Mondays and Thursdays this year. We are the most predictable team in football thanks to "brilliant" coaching. I see him with Jacksonville next year. And he can take Rob with him.

If we believe in Drew, then we need to turn over the play calling to him.
You are wrong. He was good on thursdays.
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Mickey Loomis, General Manager; keep him for cap Services limited to cap appraisal; need someone who has a better sense of projecting cap worthiness and for talent assessment; as good as Payton has been as a Field Marshall, the net sum of his talent decisions are questionable at best; the Byrd Contract was a terrible decision and yet another exhibit of the colossal fumbles made in free agency; need a general manager who can challenge and make Payton and the roster better...

Joe Vitt, Linebackers Coach, Asst Head Coach; two fold decision as he's failed to develop one linebacker since he's been here and it takes away a comfort for Payton to remind him all are expendable; and he can take his son, who's been one of our ineffective scouts with him...

Greg McMahon, Special Teams; it's only a matter of time until he reduces Jalen Saunders to a transaction casualty; the special teams or kicking unit has rarely giving this team an advantage with the exception of recently added Saunders; also it takes away a comfort piece for Payton...

Bill Johnson, Defensive Line Coach; keep hearing regurgitated stories by media types what an excellent defensive line coach he is, but whether it's a lack of talent, inability to develop players, or failure to motivate his unit, but the total ineffectiveness of the defensive line is abyssmal...

Brett Ingalls, Offensive Line Coach; obviously too cozy with these guys; tougher more objective individual assessments are needed as an overall failure to apprise the reality that the offensive line is too old, too immobile and now too ineffective; the ill-effects of influence of Evans and Grubbs to retain and start Goodwin contributed to decline of this unit and the ever more common breakdown of this unit late in games...

Junior Galette, Third Down Occasionally Effective Against Reserve Offensive Linemen Tweener Pass Rusher; well, Will Smith could at least shore up the run on his side even if both of these overpaid pretenders could never help generate a base set pass rush; Kasim Edebali has been as effective and has a more friendly cap number; Galette's Twitter activities have shown to be a distraction at the least and there' seems to be something to the smoke of his presence in the locker room; Galette would have a front end hit of 14.1 mil of dead money and .7 mil/year through 2018; he's got to go...

David Hawthorne or Curtis Lofton, Two-Down Thumpers; if we ever do get the personnel to move to an effective 3-4 base, only one of these guys can take the field as both on the field is a liability; cutting them does have cap ramifications (TYML - Thank You, Mickey Loomis); Post June 1st, Lofton has a cap number of 9 mil/2015 with 2 mil in dead money and 7 mil in savings, though there's 3 mil total dead money through 2017; Cutting Hawthorne, whose cap number is just north of 6 mil, would have a net savings of just two mil with dead money of just over 1.5 mil/year; I'd definitely cut Hawthorne as his fundamentals breakdowns have been more costly...

Evans and Grubbs, Interior Guards; this will be a controversial decision, especially with the cap ramifications - but I'd cut Post June 1 both Evans (11 mil cap number, 3.5 mil dead money/7 mil savings) and Grubbs (9.6 mil cap number, 3 mil dead money/6.6 mil savings); for Evans, father time has caught up to him; saw recent video of him running off the field and he looked like he was laboring, not what you need in a right guard - the position that the run game usually gets sparked, started; Grubbs was an absolutely horrible decision from the start as the Saints would have been better off paying Nicks the one mil more it'd cost; Grubbs has been thrown around by supposedly lesser defenders and seems to lose his assignment when the ball is snapped; I'd take the cap hit hell now and start building around a younger offensive line to better protect Brees and rejuvenate a run game...

Broderick Bunkley, Nose Tackle; this will be a post June 1 cut, but the savings of 4.5 mil /year against his 6 mil cap number and his 32 years of age coming off a season ending injury are pretty hard to ignore...

Double Secret Probation

Jairius Byrd, Safety; ABC - Another Bad Contract; if Byrd continues to show what he showed in Buffalo, a total inability to stay on the field for a season, then we cut him post June 1, 2016; then we take the lump of 2 mil in dead money all the way through 2019; Byrd will be 29 yrs of age next season but will have all the surgeries and mileage of veteran well north of thirty; Damnit this was a bad, really bad contract...

Zach Strief, Right Tackle; no matter what the emotional energy is, we can't replace the entire line right away, but he's a major liability because of his age and ever declining mobility - especially in the screen game and run stretch options; cutting him post Jun 1 would result in dead money of 1.1 mil/year through 2018; I'd focus on the guards, and if something better falls into our laps, say a better left tackle than Armstead (allowing Armstead to move to right tackle) or just a better right tackle; just going to have to ride this out...
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold View Post
That's an equation for epic failure Regular changes of coaches why would you ever
I said either or and obviously i do not mean every year,i dont mean head coaches either. Teams need a change of style of play and keep things fresh
The point sttands though,if the same players are listening t the same voices saying the same things they switch off.
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Originally Posted by K Major View Post
Good list.

JPP stands out for me defensively and I like Britt. Big target and can be a legit #1 WR.
JPP too expensive, Britt is an underachiever. Someone we defenitely don`t need.

I like Skuta, should be cheap and has a fiery attitude.
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FA:

Mike Iupati, Jason Pierre-Paul, Antonio Cromartie, Bryan Bulaga, Brandon Flowers, Dan Skuta, Charles Clay, Kenny Britt, Shane Vereen, Rolando McClain, Perrish Cox, Andre Holmes...
Some good playerd there but unless we clean house I dont see much happening.

Graham will be so Clay is a no go.

I don't want Flowers, he is a good CB but he is 5'9 and look at the rest of the south
Tampa (Evans/Jackson) Falcons (Jones/White) Carolina (Benjamin) all big(except White) really physical receiverd. Good player wrong division.

Vereen is just a no for me.
Good in the passing game but can't run on shorter downs. Pierre Thomas cheaper and better allround.

Cox would be a great addition.

Britt injury history worries me

I would see if Carl Nicks is retired of gancies a come back. I'd also call Richie Incognito, I dont like him but no way he puts up with the way our line has played this year. He will be cheap and at worst a great back up

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!
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teddybarexxx, ... oh wait, we're talking about players? nevermind.
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:17 AM   #48
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Re: Now that the season is over who do you NOT want back?

I'm a Saints fan, not a Brees fan, or Jimmy Graham,Marques Colston, Cameron Jordan along with any other player that is on this team. They will come and go. They are just pieces to an ugly team that we have, so I'm just using them for an example. I hope SP, cuts through this staff like a bad horror movie.
If we made the cuts I want, we wouldn't have a team.
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Incognito was also on my mind, but I think that he would just maximize the crap we have and not be a leader type a guy.
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Old 12-22-2014, 07:28 AM   #50
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Re: Now that the season is over who do you NOT want back?

After all the high draft picks and free agent signings, the defense should be dominating. Too many misses, so first heads to roll needs to be the part of the scouting department that is in charge of the defense. As bad as the defense was this year and your second round CB doesn't crack the field and a 4th round LB doesn't make the team, major issue on the scouts and the people drafting the players.

Shayne Graham - I normally have no issues with a guy who is pretty much automatic from 40 yards in, but seriously, not letting a guy attempt a 52 yard field goal in the dome is alarming. Needs to be replaced.

Colston - Best all time WR for the Saints, lost the speed a few years ago, and now drops passes. Time to go.

Lorig - The best FB on the Saints roster is on IR, time to move on.

Goodwin - Aging veteran, obvious by even casual observers that he has declined, time to retire.

Jimmy Graham - Disappears in big games, any trade partners to an AFC team?

Corey White - probably the worst of a weak group, needs to go.

Byrd - Was not a difference maker when in the line up, any way to get out of that big contract?
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