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Old 12-22-2014, 06:34 AM   #51
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Re: Now that the season is over who do you NOT want back?

Canīt trade Graham --> Dead Money
Can`t trade Galette --> Dead Money
Can`t trade Byrd --> Dead Money

as simply as it is. No way out on those players!
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:41 AM   #52
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As for the scouting department they are horrible. Give me one 1st round pick since 2007 that was any good.

I only give you a few examples:

Robert Meachem --> one trick pony, horrible hands
Sedrick Ellis --> fat, lazy, horrible bust
Malcolm Jenkins --> from the way he is playing for the Eagles we completely missused him
Patrick Robinson --> maybe coming back, but looks overmatched and lost on the field
Cameron Jordan --> flashes of brilliance, will ask for a huge payday, too expensive and inconsistant to keep
Mark Ingram, Jr. --> good RB, wrong system, should have been traded a long time ago. was a panick pick after all the RB went down before the Seattle playoff game
Kenny Vaccaro --> maybe coming back strong, needs some serious coaching, horrible tackling technique
Brandin Cooks --> sexy pick, will have some big plays.. but paid way too much, could have gotten Benjamin as well

so DB that didnīt work, WR that are only okay, a running back to the wrong system and one solid DL. Where is the Dline help, Passrushers, nasty Oline players?

Too much tinkering, too little bad ass football.
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Old 12-22-2014, 07:36 AM   #53
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Re: Now that the season is over who do you NOT want back?

Originally Posted by Danno View Post
We lose money if we trade him. We do not save one single penny.
Yep, the cap hit is pretty substantial. Im all for saving money & using it towards rebuilding this team, but the Saints are in a bad spot with the contracts they have been handing out(Byrd, Graham, Gallete, brees.) Gallete's contract was by far the worst yet. Pretty silly for a situational player with one year of decent production. im hoping something will finally change, but its yet to be seen.

Drafting in the 7-14 range should help a bit in finding us an upgrade, but finances are really holding us back from adding anyone this offseason in FA.

I believe we draft Defense round 1 unless by some miracle Amari Cooper is sitting there in front of us, which i highly doubt. Couple of options id like in that 7-14 range would be Shaq Thompson & Marcus Peters or maybe Benardrick Mckinney later.

Id much rather trade back & gain picks of course. Feel as though theres a deeper crop of OL & pass rushers in this draft that we could select later in Rd 1 or 2 so id rather not spend a high(er) pick on those positions, but would be ok with any of the top tackles(scherff, collins, ogbuehi, stanley, flowers)


As for Big Rob, one great year followed by one bad. But i cant justify giving him his papers bc of one season, despite the mess that it was. It comes down to Joe Vitt, Greg Mcmahon, Bill Johnson & Wes Mcgriff not getting the job done. Joe Vitt is just not the answer...im over seeing the units we put out on the field year after year just stink it up.

IF we do move in another direction heres the two at the top of my list:

Ken Norton JR - could definitely change our LB group like he's had part in doing during his time with Seattle(Wagner, KJ, Malcolm, Irvin.)

Jim Tomsula - we all know what he' done there in San Fran.
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Old 12-22-2014, 09:00 AM   #54
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When is this Micheal Kwon kid from LSU ready? Itīs insane what kind of talent LSU "produced" in this draft class: Beckham, Landry, Hill, Blue

Maybe there LT is eligibe, then we could move Armstead to RT and use Strief as situational substitute. Then pick up a C later in the draft and try to move either Evans or Grubbs contract.
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Old 12-22-2014, 09:01 AM   #55
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Re: Now that the season is over who do you NOT want back?

Why pay Byrd all that money when we could've signed our own for cheaper and more production (Malcolm Jenkins)? I know we had some crybabies on here that dislike the idea but he was a baller here, just didn't have the interceptions.
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Baller? He did miss a ton of tackles so I understand why we didn`t resign him. What I didn`t understand was the Byrd signing, we should have gotten after OL help and Passrush / LB
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I think some of tge criticism of Byrd has been unfair. He was lining up deep which seems to be what was asked of him and the front 7 got no pressure either. Add that to a new scheme and playing alongside a struggling SS in Vaccaro both og whom were coming of injuries I think being too critical is wrong. Whether he was the right signing is another matter. I like him and feel with a front 7 creating pressure he will show his worth.
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I think some of tge criticism of Byrd has been unfair. He was lining up deep which seems to be what was asked of him and the front 7 got no pressure either. Add that to a new scheme and playing alongside a struggling SS in Vaccaro both og whom were coming of injuries I think being too critical is wrong. Whether he was the right signing is another matter. I like him and feel with a front 7 creating pressure he will show his worth.
Agreed. It's hard for me to believe a guy who was a ball hawk for years up in Buffalo is all of a sudden garbage down in N O. Scheme? Lack of play makers around him? I don't necessarily like what we paid for him however let's see how he does for a full season in 2015 before we throw stones at the guy.
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:24 AM   #59
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Re: Now that the season is over who do you NOT want back?

O: Colston (unless he can re-work for far less money), Meachem, Watson, Lorig, Evans, Grubbs, and Goodwin. Likely will lose Ingram too.

D: Ball, White, Haralson, Humber, Bunkley, Dixon, SJB, Hawthorne.

ST: Graham

1 more year: Toon, Vaccaro, and Prob

It does look like we have finally replaced Roby at KR/PR.

The interior of the offensive line, second CB spot, and LB are the weak links.
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:37 AM   #60
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Originally Posted by Foot Stomper View Post
I am not sure how to look up how a contract would effect moving a player so I will only go with emotional votes for now.

DEFENSE:

Jordan tops my list
Gallete is next
All of our LB's
White
Robinson


OFFENSE:
Cadet
Colston
Graham
OL across the board perhaps a healthy Strief and Armstead stay

COACHES:
Vitt
ST's coach

What do you guys think?

Anyone not holding up to the standard this team worked hard to establish I simply don't want them back.
Agree except for Colston. He has been rock solid since he got here. I think he just had a bad year or was injured.
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