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Old 01-11-2005, 08:33 PM   #11
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Wow, I can\'t believe noone jumps on you for saying that RDOX. When I say it, it\'s like World War 3. I am glad someone agrees with me.
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Old 01-11-2005, 08:48 PM   #12
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Wow, I can\'t believe noone jumps on you for saying that RDOX. When I say it, it\'s like World War 3. I am glad someone agrees with me.
Maybe it\'s my charming wit and personality. LOL

What I see is that you and I think very closely. I got dangerously close to the edge in another thread by suggesting that Leon was less than perfect and that as a Saints fan, I was tired of the kids here thinking that 8-8 was reaching Nirvana.

Know one thing Whodi!! I have your back on this issue, son. I support what you say 100%.

Keep saying it. Half of the Saints posters believe the lies that LoomBoom, Leon, and Benson tell them because they\'re \"optimistic.\"

Balls.
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Old 01-12-2005, 08:16 AM   #13
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It looks like we all agree - but you guys have a long way to go until you can complain about being attacked! LOL
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Old 01-12-2005, 10:26 AM   #14
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I know WhoDat, but when I say it, some members try to make me feel like I am coming out of left field and the never heard anyone speak bad of our QB and how dare I. I am like, I know I am not the only one saying it, why do I get so much flack? It\'s all good. Just knowing there are like minded folks on here keeps me straight.

RDOX, good looking out man. I agree, I find myself agreeing with you damn close to 100% of the time. Keep fighting the good fight, and maybe one more year of .500 or below will open everyone\'s eyes.
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Old 01-12-2005, 10:37 AM   #15
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gatorman......from what I\'ve seen Mike runs the show. I would have hoped Haz would override him on the playaction call vs. Carolina, but who knows.

And look, I realize that our O ranks somewhere in the top 1/3 of the league. Just remember that we spent alot of time in panic mode this year, which tends to inflate the numbers.

The case against Venturi is statistically stronger, no doubt. Mike just annoys me more because I think he has better tools in place to get the job done. I mean, who would have thought at the beginning of the year that 2 rookies at LB/Fakhir/MacKenzie would make our D 3 times better. I certainly wasn\'t that smart.

I just don\'t think Mike has a feel for the team and what will work at a given time. He gets some numbers here and there...but there\'s alot of talent on the field.

One day a couple of weeks ago, the Pats were on at the same time as the Saints. Aside from their O line (which is important to say the least) they don\'t have better players than us on O. They just play alot smarter. I was literally changing channels from one game to the next and noticing the difference in coaching. I know we can\'t all have Weiss...he\'s clearly a top OC, but we can all learn from watching others and watching the Saints. I don\'t think the Mike does that. The problem is...I don\'t know who to replace him with. But hey, what qualified Mike? The simple fact that the Saints put him there.....hardly a definitive statement. I would like to see them give SOMEONE a a chance so that I don\'t have to scream at the TV next year all game (yeah right).


Check this out: Mike Singletary Saints DC. Think about it. He\'s the LB coach with the Ravens so it would be a move up for him. He\'s a smart guy who got by in the league on knowing the game and effort, two places our D often comes up short. Who wouldn\'t follow this guy into battle? Our players grew up watching him runone of the great defenses of all time. Grab him before someone else does and sign him to a 4 year contract. The guy knows football AND he\'s been through the wars.
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Old 01-12-2005, 10:49 AM   #16
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yasoon, I am with you on Singletary. I also like Jim Bates from Miami. He isout of a job now. But Venturi has to go.

I am also with you McCarthy. I don\'t know if he took the year off or what but the predictability of this offense(including not scoring in the first) is maddening at times. I too think we can get better at o-coordinator. At least someone who will call plays downfield more than once a game. McCarthy called plays like he was afraid to lose more than it looked like he was playing to win. Get someone in here who will take advantage of our skills players and let\'s get her done. If AB was getting sacked so much, partially line partially him, why didn\'t we play him in shotgun more ala Culpepper? Worked pretty well for him. He woulda been MVP if not for a guy named Manning and his best weapon was hurt half the year. Just someone with some fresh ideas, unless with Haslett\'s new extension McCarthy breathes a sigh of relief and truly opens this thing up.
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Old 01-12-2005, 11:28 AM   #17
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whodi.....The shotgun point is dead on. You could use that as well as moving the pocket to make up for our sub par pass protection. The biggest part of coaching is getting the most out of what you have and minimizing the impact of your weaknesses. Problem is....our big shotgun down was 3rd and 2. I wish I had our numbers on 3rd and short over the last 4 years. We are REALLY bad in those spots.

I fear the same. Haz seems loyal to a fault and it\'s starting to look like Mike\'s only train out of town is a job offer (amazing). Our QB coach is also getting some looks. I wish someone could explain that to me. Let\'s see...your QB throws off his back foot, holds the ball too long, and throws lasers into triple coverage. He continues to get worse with experience under your watching eye. Want a promotion?

I know he\'s not Manning, but how bout some timing drills. (Indy has a better line, in fairness.) Manning is NOT fast, but he gets the ball out quick and avoids sacks. I saw old footage of Mariucci with Young where they were working on timing. 3 step drop and fire it outta there, either over everybody or to your open receiver. Many times Brooks drops three steps, holds the ball, pumps tenatively, then gets sacked or throws off his back foot. I refuse to believe that some good coaching wouldn\'t help him out. Maybe the coaches are too much his peers and not as much his leaders. \"You da man, AB\" \"I know\" They just don\'t seem to be pushing the offense or AB in particular.
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Old 01-12-2005, 01:02 PM   #18
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I refuse to believe that some good coaching wouldn\'t help him out. Maybe the coaches are too much his peers and not as much his leaders. \"You da man, AB\" \"I know\" They just don\'t seem to be pushing the offense or AB in particular.
My own humble opinion is that Leon is un-coachable.

How can a person be expected to coach a guy who has an absolute belief that he is among the best to ever play the game? I can\'t fault the coaches for a defect in Leon\'s character and the scope of Leon\'s ego.

It really makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Since his holdout, Leon has claimed that he is a \"great\" or \"top 5\" QB. If he thinks he\'s been \"great\" for the past 4 years, then why should anyone be surprised that he\'s still making the same dumb mistakes for 4 years? It seems to me that Leon is convinced he\'s flawless already, so why should he improve?

We could hire Lombardi, Bear Bryant, Unitas and Montana to coach the guy and it would make no difference since he seems to believe he\'s already the best thing going. Leon\'s a coach killer.

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Old 01-12-2005, 01:05 PM   #19
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yasoon, agreed on all points listed. Good go.

BMG, that\'s I fear I am gonna have to hold off until next year. I pray AB is minimally coachable and we can get just consistency from him every game. If he was consistently fair to good, the ones who call for him to go would notbe doing so. If he was consistently terrible, the ones who keep hoping he stays would want him to go. It\'s his 1 out of 7 play show of decency that keep people holding on to him.

gator, funny funny funny.

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Old 01-12-2005, 02:04 PM   #20
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I know WhoDat, but when I say it, some members try to make me feel like I am coming out of left field and the never heard anyone speak bad of our QB and how dare I. I am like, I know I am not the only one saying it, why do I get so much flack? It\'s all good. Just knowing there are like minded folks on here keeps me straight.
Look at the archives man. I\'ve been accused of being a \"miserable person,\" and the most \"pessimistic person\" certain people on the board know. I have been accused of harboring personal vendettas against players and coaches, called just about every insult in the book... This is tame my man. LMAO! Just giving you a hard time. I know what you mean... especially when it comes to some of the members you\'ve been arguing with about Brooks.


Yasoon, I\'m confused. You said...

And look, I realize that our O ranks somewhere in the top 1/3 of the league. Just remember that we spent alot of time in panic mode this year, which tends to inflate the numbers.
Inflate the numbers? They finished 15th, their worst in 5 years. 11th was the worst before that. Are you saying that this team was actually even worse but the \"panic mode\" inflated the numbers to make them look respectable? I might beg to differ on that.

The case against Venturi is statistically stronger, no doubt. Mike just annoys me more because I think he has better tools in place to get the job done. I mean, who would have thought at the beginning of the year that 2 rookies at LB/Fakhir/MacKenzie would make our D 3 times better. I certainly wasn\'t that smart.
I agree there\'s more talent on O, but then, Venturi and the D have had a whole lot of FA money and first round picks in the last 4 years haven\'t they? It\'s made them worse.... how\'s that possible?

And the D being 3 times better? You mean in the last 4 games? B/c it ranked dead last in the NFL this year.... better than what?

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