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Old 11-19-2015, 02:55 AM   #1
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How Allen will impact the Saints' defense

How Dennis Allen will impact the New Orleans Saints' defense: Scout's Take podcast

By Christopher Dabe, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune


New Orleans Saints defenders will likely be more fundamentally sound under new coordinator Dennis Allen than they were under Rob Ryan, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune NFL scouting expert Chris Landry said in our latest Scout's Take podcast.

How will that impact the unit's league-worst ranking? Not by much, he said.
"He's not going to turn water into wine," Landry said. "This is not a very talented team. I think from a fundamental standpoint, they could play a lot better. A lot better focus, a lot better technique."

The Saints fired Ryan on Monday, one day after a 47-14 loss at Washington that stood as the most lopsided defeat in the Sean Payton era.

"I don't know if you're going to see much of a statistical difference with the personnel that they have for the rest of the year," Landry said. "I think you will see a little bit more sounder gap control, a little bit more technique use in coverage. Just a little bit ... a different approach. A little bit more cerebral. He's a guy that will get into your face, but he's a guy that is a little bit more into explaining what needs to be done how and why. So I think from that standpoint we could see some improvement, but again I stress that the personnel is a bigger issue and you can't make miracles out of it."
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Now I am getting a bit tired of the media claiming talent was an issue more than the fact Rob was not a good judge of talent. This is a write up about poor Rob not what Dennis can do.

I now we argued about player moves and who is responsible for them but I am old school and stand firm that the bulk of the moves were approved and supported by the DC.

This is the defense Rob built so stop giving the guy and out and supporting a drinking buddy already.

see Rob is still my nightmare even after he got the boot.
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I don't think it will change much, the only thing you can really change in two weeks is trying to get the players to give more effort, even that sometimes won't work.

Unfortunately as much as I want him to be, I don't see Dennis Allen as the answer, he's just here to guide us into the offseason.

The defensive backs have been misjudging balls in the air, holding receivers, dropping interceptions (batting them to offensive players) all season. That's Dennis Allen's area and its been just as bad as anywhere.
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New Orleans was Ryan's chance to prove himself after Dallas. He failed. Sure, he's a nice enough guy, but we all know where those guys finish, . Back on the NFL coaching carousal for you.
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I don't think it will change much, the only thing you can really change in two weeks is trying to get the players to give more effort, even that sometimes won't work.

Unfortunately as much as I want him to be, I don't see Dennis Allen as the answer, he's just here to guide us into the offseason.

The defensive backs have been misjudging balls in the air, holding receivers, dropping interceptions (batting them to offensive players) all season. That's Dennis Allen's area and its been just as bad as anywhere.
effort alone would allow us to give up 200 yards in a half vs 400
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I agree with Hagen. This is bs. RR can't get the most out of his guys cause he never chews their ass. In fact how many times have you seen him jump a defensive player when they screwed up? (As many times as Browner has made mistakes, he should have his own YouTube channel of him getting screamed at on the sidelines by our defensive coordinator)

He's a good guy and he's liked by the players. Like Hagen said, a drinking buddy. He doesn't light a fire under anyone's ass. He's just nice.

And blaming this defensive catastrophe on "talent" is a bunch of bs. The blame falls on coaching and scheme.

I don't expect Allen to turn it around, but god I hope they start playing better.

And I don't want to hear that "the defense is not very talented" **** either. Byrd, Ellerbe, Jordan, Lewis, Vaccaro and a slew of very promising rookies? No talent my ass. If anything, its one of the most talented defenses we've fielded in the last decade.
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We had middle of the pack talent and DFL results with Rob Ryan

It was time to cut the cord.

We won't suddenly become the 2000 Ravens, but we should see a defense that will put up a respectable fight week in and week out.
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I never understood the build of the defense. If you want to run the 3-4 then truly commit to it. Vince Wilfork should have been a priority. Brian Orakpo should have been a priority. We should have rolled the dice on Aldon aSmith. With Wilfork eating up space and Orakpo or Smith coming off the edge Akiem Hicks would look much better and probably still be here, and Jordan would be having a field day. Instead we don't know whether we want to be a 3-4 team or a 4-3 team and it shows.
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Apparently Dennis Allen is the reason we are good on 3rd sown defense. One of our only bright spots. I truly believe Dennis Allen is a good coach and will do a good job. But as stated earlier, he is not going to turn water into wine in 6 weeks. He will do a good enough job to stay the DC for next year and we will see improvements. I am looking forward to see if he can put some foots to a$$.
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I disagree with the "ol' drinking buddy writer". A few of these vets are gonna suddenly find more effort (wow, amazing!) b/c their buddy RR isn't the head man on the sidelines anymore. If they had any pride, they'd show more effort just to climb out of that 32nd for fear of falling to 33rd for the rest of the season.
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