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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's where you are totally wrong. That $30 million figure is meaningless. It can be turned into a $10 figure with the finalizing of a contract extension. If the Saints front office felt like there was ...

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Old 04-26-2016, 06:30 PM   #81
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That's where you are totally wrong. That $30 million figure is meaningless. It can be turned into a $10 figure with the finalizing of a contract extension. If the Saints front office felt like there was a player worthy of making a major move in free agency they would have already finished the Brees deal. What you don't get is that there was nothing out there on the open market that did not have the potential to turn into another Browner disaster. You are hung up on the fictitious $30 million that is in no way causing any sort of cap strain. On the contrary, it is basically a reserve account that can be tapped whenever the need arises.

As I have been preaching for the past two months, or more, there is no reason whatsoever to tap that account until after the draft. Why waste it on stupid free agent moves?
And how many years is this contract extenion suppose to be? 1year? 2 years? 3years?4 years? And what type of cap hit do we have with each year after a contract extention is given? He's not young and I don't think it's smart to keep ransoming the farm at his age. A 4 year puts him at 42, that would be insane?
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Old 04-26-2016, 06:37 PM   #82
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Good Lord, the past years mean nothing to the 30 million cap hit this year. Again, HE IS MAKING 5.5 MILLION MORE THAN ANY QB THIS YEAR. Manning is at 24.5 million. I don't give a crap about years in the past. His hit this year has kept the Saints from bringing in a Guard, WR, CB, Safety, A Kicker that is worth keeping and a DE. I could go on and on about what his cap hit is doing to us THIS YEAR.
A cap number makes no sense in isolation because it's a cumulative charge over the life of the contract. Brees signed a 5 year, $100 million extension in 2012. It's a $20 million per year contract, which is barely middling in today's NFL QB dollars. He's been paid $70 of those dollars with $40 million signing bonus and $30 million in salary over 4 years. The Saints backloaded the last year of the contract, then added another $2.6 million to the last year in a restructure.

He is certainly not making more than other QBs this year. It's just that their contracts are newer so the big cap hits haven't started yet.

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Old 04-26-2016, 07:28 PM   #83
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I was born in 1958 and I've went to games at Tulane Stadium. Archie ran out away from pressure. Brees would move in the pocket away from the pressure. Aaron Brooks moved in the pocket better.
Forever, just like your statement above- ARCHIE NEVER HAD A POCKET TO SPEAK OF!
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And how many years is this contract extenion suppose to be? 1year? 2 years? 3years?4 years? And what type of cap hit do we have with each year after a contract extention is given? He's not young and I don't think it's smart to keep ransoming the farm at his age. A 4 year puts him at 42, that would be insane?
It would have been insane 10 years ago. QB's are so well protected these days and they take so much better care of themselves that their expected playing careers can easily be several years longer than the previous averages.
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Forever, just like your statement above- ARCHIE NEVER HAD A POCKET TO SPEAK OF!
God i remember those days. I think he still running.
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We didn't jump on Norman because he wanted big guaranteed money
See what that did with Byrd

You can't blame Brees' cap for mostly terrible drafting pre 2015 and bad FA moves (Byrd, Spiller, Browner, etc)
dead money from Junior and Jimmy Graham. Hopefully Fleener works out but we overpaid him.

We did get Armstead, Cooks, Anthony and Kikaha to build on in the draft and Breaux looks to have a lot of walk on potential
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My big problem with Kikahaha is will not be a every down starter.
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