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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal 400 total yards, Utah. Not passing yards. When you throw it that much, you will have yards. It's all about efficiency. And I don't if we "won" time of possession. If you are throwing the ball ...

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Old 09-27-2016, 11:47 PM   #61
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Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016?

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400 total yards, Utah. Not passing yards. When you throw it that much, you will have yards. It's all about efficiency.

And I don't if we "won" time of possession. If you are throwing the ball 50 plus times you are extending the game, and you are usually losing. We were having success running the ball. I'm not saying to reverse things and run it 50 times, but try to make it a little more even. With as bad as this defense is right now (whether or not you want to blame that on injuries) you have to take advantage of every possession to not only score, but run as much time off that clock as possible.

Payton failed in his game plan from that perspective. You'd think I were blaming this whole mess on drew by reading your comments. I didn't say one thing about his ability not being there. I said he's TOO GOOD for us to be running this predictable offense. And yes, I saw the stats on Drew over the last decade. We're talking about recent history with this team, not Drew's career accomplishments. Plus you gave me a bunch of QB's who played a long time ago in a different era.

And I disagree about the Falcons. That offense has been known for Julio Jones and Roddy White. It has never been an elite offense. You are telling what they are ranked after 4 whole games. They have a defensive minded head coach and a coordinator who hasn't previously shown to be all that great. Yet they looked a million times more creative than the Saints last night. And that, again, is a bit of an embarrassment.

As far as the cost of Drew and his "toys", he's making around 25 million a year alone, by himself. But the cost isn't simply dollars. They spent a first round pick on Cooks and Ingram, a second round choice on Thomas, plus the over pay for Fleener. They spent good money on Spiller, only to cut him a year later. There has been a significant investment in offense. And at some point they'll have to pay Cooks and Snead if they keep performing. But they haven't done enough to fix the offensive line and the play calling is not taking full advantage of what we have.
Well, if you're saying your "frustrated" or "embarrassed" by this offense, then I still say your expectations are too high, but I guess that's just my opinion.

If your saying you think the Saints should run the ball more, then I agree with you. I love nothing more than to watch the offense physically impose their will on the other team by running the ball down their throats, play after play. But with the defense this team has fielded over the two and a half years, unfortunately, the games have dictated our offensive options rather than the other way around. The team seems like it always has to score points in bunches just to stay in the games.
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Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016?

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Well, if you're saying your "frustrated" or "embarrassed" by this offense, then I still say your expectations are too high, but I guess that's just my opinion.

If your saying you think the Saints should run the ball more, then I agree with you. I love nothing more than to watch the offense physically impose their will on the other team by running the ball down their throats, play after play. But with the defense this team has fielded over the two and a half years, unfortunately, the games have dictated our offensive options rather than the other way around. The team seems like it always has to score points in bunches just to stay in the games.
They only needed 17 points last week and couldn't do it. And I know that when you DO give up a lot of points you have to play keep up. But you still have to have some kind of balance. It's not like they were behind three touchdowns all night. They didn't fall significantly behind until the pick 6. They could have controlled the ball more, but instead kept passing, and going with those telegraphed short passes.

Embarrassing is being outplayed by the Falcons. That was the only part where I said embarrassing. If you don't agree with that, then I might say your expectations are too low. I've been accused of not having high enough expectations, so I guess there's no winning around here. But that's ok, I didn't come here to win brownie points. I've got my opinions, and that's the way it is.

I have a right to be frustrated with a lot of things as a fan. Whether anyone agrees doesn't really change anything, but I stand firmly behind my statements.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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