Seasons over

AllSaints · 09-27-2016, 06:20 AM

Guys.... be realistic here.... We suck.... injuries hit us hard yet again... it will be a painful season Payton will probably still get another chance next season... on the bright side there's always next year ! Haha

Utah_Saint · 09-27-2016, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

New England are dealing with injuries and are 3-0.

We keep finding ways to lose, injuries obviously are a back breaker, but even before we started getting injured we were not a good team.

2 straight 0-4 preseasons, preseason matters, people need to wise up a little on that.

We found ways to lose way before a ton of our starters went down.

In the last 15 home games we are 4-11, what's the reason for that? What's the reason for back to back 7-9 seasons and an 0-3 start, the answer is Payton and his buddies.

So that's it? We're as good as New England or we're a bad team? There's nothing in between?

Patriots IR
T Vollmer, Sebastian
RB Lewis, Dion
G Jackson, Tre

Patriots Out Week 3
QB Jimmy Garoppolo

And of course Tom Brady's out on suspension.

While losing a superstar is hard to make up, losing 10 or more of the 22 projected offensive and defensive starters means you have cover up for half your team and is way more difficult.

The reason we've had back to back losing seasons is obvious, our defense sucked in historic fashion. The defense was undisciplined, often confused and too often out of position. We had absolutely no interior pressure and couldn't stop the run.

We eliminated the biggest problems by getting rid of Rob Ryan and his read and react defense. Guys know where there supposed to be and what their responsibilities are when they get out of the huddle. We've already seen improvements in that department.

The addition of Rankins/Fairly into the defensive line rotation woulda, shoulda, coulda significantly improved the internal pressure on the pocket which would help Jordan and Kikaha, and helped at least a little in run defense. The improvement in the front end would take pressure off the secondary.

Even when completely healthy I don't think this defense would be record setters but I have no doubt it would be better that what we've had the misfortune of seeing for the last two seasons.

pherein · 09-28-2016, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

So that's it? We're as good as New England or we're a bad team? There's nothing in between?

Patriots IR
T Vollmer, Sebastian
RB Lewis, Dion
G Jackson, Tre

Patriots Out Week 3
QB Jimmy Garoppolo

And of course Tom Brady's out on suspension.

While losing a superstar is hard to make up, losing 10 or more of the 22 projected offensive and defensive starters means you have cover up for half your team and is way more difficult.

The reason we've had back to back losing seasons is obvious, our defense sucked in historic fashion. The defense was undisciplined, often confused and too often out of position. We had absolutely no interior pressure and couldn't stop the run.

We eliminated the biggest problems by getting rid of Rob Ryan and his read and react defense. Guys know where there supposed to be and what their responsibilities are when they get out of the huddle. We've already seen improvements in that department.

The addition of Rankins/Fairly into the defensive line rotation woulda, shoulda, coulda significantly improved the internal pressure on the pocket which would help Jordan and Kikaha, and helped at least a little in run defense. The improvement in the front end would take pressure off the secondary.

Even when completely healthy I don't think this defense would be record setters but I have no doubt it would be better that what we've had the misfortune of seeing for the last two seasons.

We are bad team simple.

spkb25 · 09-28-2016, 05:27 AM

we're an awful team, and there may be many reasons for that, but it doesn't make it any less true. I haven't seen these guys give up or play without heart, they're just not good. This team is a mess.

The 2015 Draft has resulted in this:
Anthony doesn't seem to making the field as often. Peat is doing better. Kikia IR, PJ IR, GG Practice Squad, Tull- Cut, Davidson has looked okay, Swann -IR, Murphy- okay?

So that draft that we all had so much hope from doesn't look like it is doing anything

hagan714 · 09-28-2016, 06:29 AM

Actually I am surprised by this team despite the front office

25% of our cap is playing else where or asking people if they want paper or plastic.

Add in a defense riddled with injuries were more than one starter are injuries. Making matters worse multiple starts at CB.

An offense line that is in constant flex.

A WR core that is also in flux.

Taken all the cheap FA and UDFA the saints must sign even to field a team, I am actually find myself tipping my hat to the coaches. small tip.

Now the front office has a chance to wipe the book clean, for the most part in 2017.

The saints front office needs to stop screwing up and learn to use the draft better to control the cap. multiple picks in rounds 3 - 5 make up the core of successful team

Trades? New England Patriots gets it
Acquired CB Eric Rowe from Philadelphia for a conditional 4th round
Acquired DE/OLB Barkevious Mingo from Cleveland for a 5th round

4th and a 5th for solid depth players that will play and be part of a active rotation.

Injuries are expected. Multiple starters injured at one position is bad luck

Front office moves of the past few years is unacceptable.

K Major · 09-28-2016, 07:21 AM

In a Ocean of bad, Laurinaitis and Byrd stand out as the worst.

Add to that very little depth (Hagan just alluded to with bad contracts) ... our goose is cooked.

On to San Diego

. Let's Go !

Rugby Saint II · 09-28-2016, 02:28 PM

Just give the curtain call already...........

saintsfan1976 · 09-28-2016, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by saintshrimp

And your blind as a bat there are games left yes but the season is over your not beating but one or two teams left on the schedule

I see 13 games left on the schedule. You go right ahead and shut that TV off if you like shrimp.

SaintsBro · 09-28-2016, 09:08 PM

Sean Payton is 4-15 in the last 19 games in the Dome, folks. His teams always used to be known historically to play really well at home (Dome field advantage), known to bring the fireworks and show up ready to play in big prime time night games; Sean Payton was known for having the "number" of our main rival the Atlanta Falcons, as well as also known for clobbering his former employers the Giants (was previously 4-0 record against them).

Well, none of these things seem to be reliably happening for him anymore. The once-impressive record Payton had against the Falcons, is slowly starting to even out and dip back down towards .500. The once-impressive "sure things" of his incredible record in games against his former employers the Cowboys and the Giants, where he would pull out all the stops, are now not so "sure" anymore. The once-impressive prime time record, as well as home field, are also trending in the wrong direction these days.

The last 15 games in the Dome, the Saints have won 4 of them. Let that sink in for a minute.

K Major · 09-28-2016, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Sean Payton is 4-15 in the last 19 games in the Dome, folks.

Not good at all.

09-27-2016, 06:20 AM	#31
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Re: Seasons over Guys.... be realistic here.... We suck.... injuries hit us hard yet again... it will be a painful season Payton will probably still get another chance next season... on the bright side there's always next year ! Haha

09-27-2016, 06:38 AM	#32
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Seasons over Originally Posted by dizzle88 New England are dealing with injuries and are 3-0. We keep finding ways to lose, injuries obviously are a back breaker, but even before we started getting injured we were not a good team. 2 straight 0-4 preseasons, preseason matters, people need to wise up a little on that. We found ways to lose way before a ton of our starters went down. In the last 15 home games we are 4-11, what's the reason for that? What's the reason for back to back 7-9 seasons and an 0-3 start, the answer is Payton and his buddies. So that's it? We're as good as New England or we're a bad team? There's nothing in between? Patriots IR T Vollmer, Sebastian RB Lewis, Dion G Jackson, Tre Patriots Out Week 3 QB Jimmy Garoppolo And of course Tom Brady's out on suspension. While losing a superstar is hard to make up, losing 10 or more of the 22 projected offensive and defensive starters means you have cover up for half your team and is way more difficult. The reason we've had back to back losing seasons is obvious, our defense sucked in historic fashion. The defense was undisciplined, often confused and too often out of position. We had absolutely no interior pressure and couldn't stop the run. We eliminated the biggest problems by getting rid of Rob Ryan and his read and react defense. Guys know where there supposed to be and what their responsibilities are when they get out of the huddle. We've already seen improvements in that department. The addition of Rankins/Fairly into the defensive line rotation woulda, shoulda, coulda significantly improved the internal pressure on the pocket which would help Jordan and Kikaha, and helped at least a little in run defense. The improvement in the front end would take pressure off the secondary. Even when completely healthy I don't think this defense would be record setters but I have no doubt it would be better that what we've had the misfortune of seeing for the last two seasons. jnormand, Danno, leilung and 1 others like this.

09-28-2016, 03:52 AM	#33
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Seasons over Originally Posted by Utah_Saint So that's it? We're as good as New England or we're a bad team? There's nothing in between? Patriots IR T Vollmer, Sebastian RB Lewis, Dion G Jackson, Tre Patriots Out Week 3 QB Jimmy Garoppolo And of course Tom Brady's out on suspension. While losing a superstar is hard to make up, losing 10 or more of the 22 projected offensive and defensive starters means you have cover up for half your team and is way more difficult. The reason we've had back to back losing seasons is obvious, our defense sucked in historic fashion. The defense was undisciplined, often confused and too often out of position. We had absolutely no interior pressure and couldn't stop the run. We eliminated the biggest problems by getting rid of Rob Ryan and his read and react defense. Guys know where there supposed to be and what their responsibilities are when they get out of the huddle. We've already seen improvements in that department. The addition of Rankins/Fairly into the defensive line rotation woulda, shoulda, coulda significantly improved the internal pressure on the pocket which would help Jordan and Kikaha, and helped at least a little in run defense. The improvement in the front end would take pressure off the secondary. Even when completely healthy I don't think this defense would be record setters but I have no doubt it would be better that what we've had the misfortune of seeing for the last two seasons. We are bad team simple.

09-28-2016, 05:27 AM	#34
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: Seasons over we're an awful team, and there may be many reasons for that, but it doesn't make it any less true. I haven't seen these guys give up or play without heart, they're just not good. This team is a mess. The 2015 Draft has resulted in this: Anthony doesn't seem to making the field as often. Peat is doing better. Kikia IR, PJ IR, GG Practice Squad, Tull- Cut, Davidson has looked okay, Swann -IR, Murphy- okay? So that draft that we all had so much hope from doesn't look like it is doing anything
	Your team stinks

09-28-2016, 06:29 AM	#35
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Seasons over Actually I am surprised by this team despite the front office 25% of our cap is playing else where or asking people if they want paper or plastic. Add in a defense riddled with injuries were more than one starter are injuries. Making matters worse multiple starts at CB. An offense line that is in constant flex. A WR core that is also in flux. Taken all the cheap FA and UDFA the saints must sign even to field a team, I am actually find myself tipping my hat to the coaches. small tip. Now the front office has a chance to wipe the book clean, for the most part in 2017. The saints front office needs to stop screwing up and learn to use the draft better to control the cap. multiple picks in rounds 3 - 5 make up the core of successful team Trades? New England Patriots gets it Acquired CB Eric Rowe from Philadelphia for a conditional 4th round Acquired DE/OLB Barkevious Mingo from Cleveland for a 5th round 4th and a 5th for solid depth players that will play and be part of a active rotation. Injuries are expected. Multiple starters injured at one position is bad luck Front office moves of the past few years is unacceptable. jnormand, saintsfan1976 and Barry from MS like this.
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09-28-2016, 07:21 AM	#36
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,044 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Seasons over In a Ocean of bad, Laurinaitis and Byrd stand out as the worst. Add to that very little depth (Hagan just alluded to with bad contracts) ... our goose is cooked. On to San Diego . Let's Go !

09-28-2016, 02:28 PM	#37
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09-28-2016, 06:44 PM	#38
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,538 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Seasons over Originally Posted by saintshrimp And your blind as a bat there are games left yes but the season is over your not beating but one or two teams left on the schedule I see 13 games left on the schedule. You go right ahead and shut that TV off if you like shrimp.

09-28-2016, 09:08 PM	#39
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Seasons over Sean Payton is 4-15 in the last 19 games in the Dome, folks. His teams always used to be known historically to play really well at home (Dome field advantage), known to bring the fireworks and show up ready to play in big prime time night games; Sean Payton was known for having the "number" of our main rival the Atlanta Falcons, as well as also known for clobbering his former employers the Giants (was previously 4-0 record against them). Well, none of these things seem to be reliably happening for him anymore. The once-impressive record Payton had against the Falcons, is slowly starting to even out and dip back down towards .500. The once-impressive "sure things" of his incredible record in games against his former employers the Cowboys and the Giants, where he would pull out all the stops, are now not so "sure" anymore. The once-impressive prime time record, as well as home field, are also trending in the wrong direction these days. The last 15 games in the Dome, the Saints have won 4 of them. Let that sink in for a minute. Barry from MS and K Major like this.

09-28-2016, 09:29 PM	#40
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,044 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Seasons over Originally Posted by SaintsBro Sean Payton is 4-15 in the last 19 games in the Dome, folks. Not good at all.

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