Seasons over

pherein · 09-27-2016, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by VegasSaint9

Season is not technically over since the Falcons are just currently the kings of **** mountain, but Sean Payton's staff on Defense or ST has to go. Bill Johnson, Joe Vitt, and Ed McMahon. Mickey Loomis should be fired tonight if you ask me.

If we , by some miricle made into the playoffs how do you beat a good team like Philly or Vikings? Then if we have NE in a SB how do we beat them ?
Simple we cant with this team its over. We would be 1 and done in the playoffs which this team will never get to unless everyone else loses and we are gifted the spot. We will never earn it. Team has no heart the season for a SB is over.

dizzle88 · 09-27-2016, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I think Dennis Allen has done all he could with the injuries he has had to deal with; but Bill Johnson the defensive line coach has to go! It's his job to coach the pass rush, which we never have none.

If that means Payton has to go to get his buddies out, than so be it...

I'd hate for a new coach come in and clean house. I'd hate to lose some of the young talented players we have...

Crawley, Anthony, Bell, Harris; as well as some others...

In my opinion, doing the following would be the best move

Cut or trade the high priced under performing guys

Byrd, Fleener, Laurinitus etc

Cut players that just not good - Cadet, Coleman etc

Clean the coaching staff

Getting rid of Payton, Loomis, Bill Johnson, Vitt, McMahon and the conditioning coach

Keep the young guys that show potential - Bell, Crawley, Anthony, Robertson, Davison etc

Keep Brees and Carmichael, as well as the receivers.

neugey · 09-27-2016, 12:40 AM

Sean/Carmichael are just as responsible as any of the other coaches. I don't care what the scoreboard says, the offense is a huge problem.

To be honest, Drew's ability to throw these crazy accurate passes and throw people open who aren't open is making our offense look a whole lot better than it really is. If we had better playcalling, with the way Drew is executing now, we would look like the 1999 Rams and our defense wouldn't even hardly matter.

They are going to ruin Michael Thomas' development and career if they insist on sending him on a slant every single play. Atlanta finally caught on to the predictability and it cost us the game. Oh, and our first play after the pick 6? Another slant to Michael Thomas! Are you kidding me???

About one in every ten plays you will see something innovative that actually works, like the last Ingram TD. But the rest of the time it is the same predictable crap, like knowing that every time when Cadet goes into the game that the ball will be going to him.

Atlanta's defense is horrible, and a real NFL defense would have made us pay a lot more tonight.

|Mitch| · 09-27-2016, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

In my opinion, doing the following would be the best move

Cut or trade the high priced under performing guys

Byrd, Fleener, Laurinitus etc

Cut players that just not good - Cadet, Coleman etc

Clean the coaching staff

Getting rid of Payton, Loomis, Bill Johnson, Vitt, McMahon and the conditioning coach

Keep the young guys that show potential - Bell, Crawley, Anthony, Robertson, Davison etc

Keep Brees and Carmichael, as well as the receivers.

I'd like to see what Fleener does the rest of the season before throwing him out with the bath water. He had a decent game tonight...

dizzle88 · 09-27-2016, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I'd like to see what Fleener does the rest of the season before throwing him out with the bath water. He had a decent game tonight...

He had a "decent" game but still looked bad in spots, I counted 3 dropped passes after 5 last week and the only reason he was midly successful was because Atlanta are incapable of stopping seam routes, which Ben Watson displayed last season.

Although, it's only fair to see what Fleener does the rest of the season to see if he gets more comfortable so I agree there.

neugey · 09-27-2016, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

He had a "decent" game but still looked bad in spots, I counted 3 dropped passes after 5 last week and the only reason he was midly successful was because Atlanta are incapable of stopping seam routes, which Ben Watson displayed last season.

Although, it's only fair to see what Fleener does the rest of the season to see if he gets more comfortable so I agree there.

Fleener looked better tonight, even showed some signs of competent blocking, but here is the issue - he has no ability to make a play after the catch. If he can't make a move or break through soft tackles, he's pretty much just a replacement-level tight end.

The Dude · 09-27-2016, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Three players that showed heart - Brees, Michael Thomas and Nick Fairley

Yeah, the season is over, Payton has to go, whoever's decision it was to give him a 5 year extension after 2 straight 7-9 seasons needs their head examined.

If we don't clean house now, we are going to be a mess for a while, I'm talking perennial top 5 draft pick like the browns and jags.

Moore

blackangold · 09-27-2016, 04:01 AM

All this BS about injuries... quit making excuses. MIN and NE are 3-0 and both are playing with not only injuries, but injuries to their BEST players. To equate that to our team, it would be like Drew getting injured yet still being 3-0.

Good teams win, regardless of injuries.

Fact is Payton is an average coach, with decent offensive mind. He got fortunate to have Greg Williams from 2009 to 2011. Greg Williams helped build the "Payton" legacy.

Utah_Saint · 09-27-2016, 06:03 AM

Falcons IR
WR Devin Fuller
CB Akeem King
CB DeMarcus Van Dyke

Falcons Out Week 3
LB Paul Worrilow
OLB De'Vondre Cambell

Other than Worrilow, ever heard of these guys?

Saints IR
LB 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha
FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford
CB 24 - Kyle Wilson
WR 12 - Kyle Prater
DE 77 - D.J. Pettway
CB 43 - Jimmy Pruitt
DB 27 - Damian Swann
TE 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui
OT 74 - Tyrus Thompson
DT 98 - Sheldon Rankins
CB 25 - P.J. Williams

Saints out Week 3
CB Delvin Breaux
LB Dannell Ellerbe
WR Willie Snead
TE Josh Hill
T Terron Armstead
DT Tyeler Davison
S Kenny Vaccaro

Don't think for a minute that injuries don't matter in this league. Or just saying "next man up" actually means anything. Jarius Byrd was the only active member of the secondary that was even on the team last year.

The Saints did fine on offense. Over 100 yards rushing at 5.0 ypc, Over 350 yards in the air. 7-11 on 3rd down. Won the clock. And they went 4 of 5 in the Redzone. If they had even half those defensive guys listed above, they run the Falcons outta the building.

The Saints lost by 13 points. A pick six and an 11 yard drive following the stupidest muffed punt I've ever seen, were the difference in the game.

Yeah, our 2nd string defense (and that's being generous) couldn't stop the number one offense in the league but their 1st string defense couldn't stop ours either.

dizzle88 · 09-27-2016, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Falcons IR
WR Devin Fuller
CB Akeem King
CB DeMarcus Van Dyke

Falcons Out Week 3
LB Paul Worrilow
OLB De'Vondre Cambell

Other than Worrilow, ever heard of these guys?

Saints IR
LB 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha
FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford
CB 24 - Kyle Wilson
WR 12 - Kyle Prater
DE 77 - D.J. Pettway
CB 43 - Jimmy Pruitt
DB 27 - Damian Swann
TE 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui
OT 74 - Tyrus Thompson
DT 98 - Sheldon Rankins
CB 25 - P.J. Williams

Saints out Week 3
CB Delvin Breaux
LB Dannell Ellerbe
WR Willie Snead
TE Josh Hill
T Terron Armstead
DT Tyeler Davison
S Kenny Vaccaro

Don't think for a minute that injuries don't matter in this league. Or just saying "next man up" actually means anything. Jarius Byrd was the only active member of the secondary that was even on the team last year.

The Saints did fine on offense. Over 100 yards rushing at 5.0 ypc, Over 350 yards in the air. 7-11 on 3rd down. Won the clock. And they went 4 of 5 in the Redzone. If they had even half those defensive guys listed above, they run the Falcons outta the building.

The Saints lost by 14 points. A pick six and an 11 yard drive following the stupidest muffed punt I've ever seen, were the difference in the game.

Yeah, our 2nd string defense (and that's being generous) couldn't stop the number one offense in the league but their 1st string defense couldn't stop ours either.

New England are dealing with injuries and are 3-0.

We keep finding ways to lose, injuries obviously are a back breaker, but even before we started getting injured we were not a good team.

2 straight 0-4 preseasons, preseason matters, people need to wise up a little on that.

We found ways to lose way before a ton of our starters went down.

In the last 15 home games we are 4-11, what's the reason for that? What's the reason for back to back 7-9 seasons and an 0-3 start, the answer is Payton and his buddies.

09-27-2016, 12:35 AM	#21
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Seasons over Originally Posted by VegasSaint9 Season is not technically over since the Falcons are just currently the kings of **** mountain, but Sean Payton's staff on Defense or ST has to go. Bill Johnson, Joe Vitt, and Ed McMahon. Mickey Loomis should be fired tonight if you ask me. If we , by some miricle made into the playoffs how do you beat a good team like Philly or Vikings? Then if we have NE in a SB how do we beat them ? Simple we cant with this team its over. We would be 1 and done in the playoffs which this team will never get to unless everyone else loses and we are gifted the spot. We will never earn it. Team has no heart the season for a SB is over.

09-27-2016, 12:38 AM	#22
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Seasons over Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I think Dennis Allen has done all he could with the injuries he has had to deal with; but Bill Johnson the defensive line coach has to go! It's his job to coach the pass rush, which we never have none. If that means Payton has to go to get his buddies out, than so be it... I'd hate for a new coach come in and clean house. I'd hate to lose some of the young talented players we have... Crawley, Anthony, Bell, Harris; as well as some others... In my opinion, doing the following would be the best move Cut or trade the high priced under performing guys Byrd, Fleener, Laurinitus etc Cut players that just not good - Cadet, Coleman etc Clean the coaching staff Getting rid of Payton, Loomis, Bill Johnson, Vitt, McMahon and the conditioning coach Keep the young guys that show potential - Bell, Crawley, Anthony, Robertson, Davison etc Keep Brees and Carmichael, as well as the receivers. Barry from MS and \|Mitch\| like this.

09-27-2016, 12:40 AM	#23
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Seasons over Sean/Carmichael are just as responsible as any of the other coaches. I don't care what the scoreboard says, the offense is a huge problem. To be honest, Drew's ability to throw these crazy accurate passes and throw people open who aren't open is making our offense look a whole lot better than it really is. If we had better playcalling, with the way Drew is executing now, we would look like the 1999 Rams and our defense wouldn't even hardly matter. They are going to ruin Michael Thomas' development and career if they insist on sending him on a slant every single play. Atlanta finally caught on to the predictability and it cost us the game. Oh, and our first play after the pick 6? Another slant to Michael Thomas! Are you kidding me??? About one in every ten plays you will see something innovative that actually works, like the last Ingram TD. But the rest of the time it is the same predictable crap, like knowing that every time when Cadet goes into the game that the ball will be going to him. Atlanta's defense is horrible, and a real NFL defense would have made us pay a lot more tonight.

09-27-2016, 12:42 AM	#24
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Seasons over Originally Posted by dizzle88 In my opinion, doing the following would be the best move Cut or trade the high priced under performing guys Byrd, Fleener, Laurinitus etc Cut players that just not good - Cadet, Coleman etc Clean the coaching staff Getting rid of Payton, Loomis, Bill Johnson, Vitt, McMahon and the conditioning coach Keep the young guys that show potential - Bell, Crawley, Anthony, Robertson, Davison etc Keep Brees and Carmichael, as well as the receivers. I'd like to see what Fleener does the rest of the season before throwing him out with the bath water. He had a decent game tonight... jnormand likes this.

09-27-2016, 12:44 AM	#25
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Seasons over Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I'd like to see what Fleener does the rest of the season before throwing him out with the bath water. He had a decent game tonight... He had a "decent" game but still looked bad in spots, I counted 3 dropped passes after 5 last week and the only reason he was midly successful was because Atlanta are incapable of stopping seam routes, which Ben Watson displayed last season. Although, it's only fair to see what Fleener does the rest of the season to see if he gets more comfortable so I agree there.

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09-27-2016, 12:56 AM	#26
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Seasons over Originally Posted by dizzle88 He had a "decent" game but still looked bad in spots, I counted 3 dropped passes after 5 last week and the only reason he was midly successful was because Atlanta are incapable of stopping seam routes, which Ben Watson displayed last season. Although, it's only fair to see what Fleener does the rest of the season to see if he gets more comfortable so I agree there. Fleener looked better tonight, even showed some signs of competent blocking, but here is the issue - he has no ability to make a play after the catch. If he can't make a move or break through soft tackles, he's pretty much just a replacement-level tight end. Rsanders24 and pherein like this.

09-27-2016, 03:24 AM	#27
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Seasons over Originally Posted by dizzle88 Three players that showed heart - Brees, Michael Thomas and Nick Fairley Yeah, the season is over, Payton has to go, whoever's decision it was to give him a 5 year extension after 2 straight 7-9 seasons needs their head examined. If we don't clean house now, we are going to be a mess for a while, I'm talking perennial top 5 draft pick like the browns and jags. Moore
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09-27-2016, 04:01 AM	#28
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Seasons over All this BS about injuries... quit making excuses. MIN and NE are 3-0 and both are playing with not only injuries, but injuries to their BEST players. To equate that to our team, it would be like Drew getting injured yet still being 3-0. Good teams win, regardless of injuries. Fact is Payton is an average coach, with decent offensive mind. He got fortunate to have Greg Williams from 2009 to 2011. Greg Williams helped build the "Payton" legacy. neugey, dizzle88 and pherein like this.

09-27-2016, 06:03 AM	#29
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Seasons over Falcons IR WR Devin Fuller CB Akeem King CB DeMarcus Van Dyke Falcons Out Week 3 LB Paul Worrilow OLB De'Vondre Cambell Other than Worrilow, ever heard of these guys? Saints IR LB 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford CB 24 - Kyle Wilson WR 12 - Kyle Prater DE 77 - D.J. Pettway CB 43 - Jimmy Pruitt DB 27 - Damian Swann TE 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui OT 74 - Tyrus Thompson DT 98 - Sheldon Rankins CB 25 - P.J. Williams Saints out Week 3 CB Delvin Breaux LB Dannell Ellerbe WR Willie Snead TE Josh Hill T Terron Armstead DT Tyeler Davison S Kenny Vaccaro Don't think for a minute that injuries don't matter in this league. Or just saying "next man up" actually means anything. Jarius Byrd was the only active member of the secondary that was even on the team last year. The Saints did fine on offense. Over 100 yards rushing at 5.0 ypc, Over 350 yards in the air. 7-11 on 3rd down. Won the clock. And they went 4 of 5 in the Redzone. If they had even half those defensive guys listed above, they run the Falcons outta the building. The Saints lost by 13 points. A pick six and an 11 yard drive following the stupidest muffed punt I've ever seen, were the difference in the game. Yeah, our 2nd string defense (and that's being generous) couldn't stop the number one offense in the league but their 1st string defense couldn't stop ours either. jnormand, leilung and SmashMouth like this.

09-27-2016, 06:16 AM	#30
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Seasons over Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Falcons IR WR Devin Fuller CB Akeem King CB DeMarcus Van Dyke Falcons Out Week 3 LB Paul Worrilow OLB De'Vondre Cambell Other than Worrilow, ever heard of these guys? Saints IR LB 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford CB 24 - Kyle Wilson WR 12 - Kyle Prater DE 77 - D.J. Pettway CB 43 - Jimmy Pruitt DB 27 - Damian Swann TE 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui OT 74 - Tyrus Thompson DT 98 - Sheldon Rankins CB 25 - P.J. Williams Saints out Week 3 CB Delvin Breaux LB Dannell Ellerbe WR Willie Snead TE Josh Hill T Terron Armstead DT Tyeler Davison S Kenny Vaccaro Don't think for a minute that injuries don't matter in this league. Or just saying "next man up" actually means anything. Jarius Byrd was the only active member of the secondary that was even on the team last year. The Saints did fine on offense. Over 100 yards rushing at 5.0 ypc, Over 350 yards in the air. 7-11 on 3rd down. Won the clock. And they went 4 of 5 in the Redzone. If they had even half those defensive guys listed above, they run the Falcons outta the building. The Saints lost by 14 points. A pick six and an 11 yard drive following the stupidest muffed punt I've ever seen, were the difference in the game. Yeah, our 2nd string defense (and that's being generous) couldn't stop the number one offense in the league but their 1st string defense couldn't stop ours either. New England are dealing with injuries and are 3-0. We keep finding ways to lose, injuries obviously are a back breaker, but even before we started getting injured we were not a good team. 2 straight 0-4 preseasons, preseason matters, people need to wise up a little on that. We found ways to lose way before a ton of our starters went down. In the last 15 home games we are 4-11, what's the reason for that? What's the reason for back to back 7-9 seasons and an 0-3 start, the answer is Payton and his buddies. SmashMouth and pherein like this.
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