jeanpierre

Possible trades, moves this offseason?

Mark Ingram isn't going anywhere unless Payton takes Dalvin Cook or Leonard Fournette, and even then, in today's NFL, and if we and they learned anything from the Seattle Quakebowl, you've got to have two running backs...Ingram isn't going anywhere unless he has a meltdown, he's playing out his contract...

Reality is we have two superior left tackles in Terron Armstead and Andrus Peat; Andrus Peat proved he's a terrific left tackle and really good left guard; Armstead has terrific value, when healthy; with several superior guard free agents, we could get a No. 1 for Armstead, but it'd be easier to sign a Right Guard (Kevin Zeitler) and draft another tackle. But the Saints front office could make a Real Jedi Move by moving Armstead for a first round pick (e,g, San Diego, Denver, Houston, and Seattle) and signing both RG Kevin Zeitler and LG Andrew Norwell and spreading the cap savings along the entire offensive line...

Moving SS Kenny Vaccaro might be possible; he's always been considered to have a high ceiling in the league, even if he hasn't produced consistently as hoped and with Jabril Peppers likely to play SS in the NFL and still in our current draft range in round 1, that's certainly a possibility...

Let me say it'd be completely asinine to trade Bradin Cooks, but the one doubt about his future in my mind could be the public airing of his grievances about his touches may not have sat well; the same behaviour got Stills traded, but this is Cooks and though Payton claims all players are equal, this is the NFL and even the Saints know the rules don't apply equally to all players because some players are more equal than others; Cooks value would never be higher and he's got a rookie option year coming up...

Hau'oli Kikaha and Stephone Anthony are two other possibilities; they are better fits as 3-4 linebackers; problem is, both are coming off of injured reserve and they haven't gotten off to great starts (but saavy teams no it's because the Saints stink at defense and using talent on defense); one of 'em could be packaged with our first to move up to say No. 5 or with our second round pick to move into the back of the first (which would be my preference); If I had my choice, I keep and coach up Anthony who I feel just needs a really good coach (calling Dr. Nolan?) and he could be just as good in D.A.'s 4-3, and I trade Kikaha who's doesn't have the frame to play 4-3 end nor the speed to cover as a 4-3 OLB; he's a 3-4 rush linebacker and teams like the Steelers, Broncos, et al would welcome someone with his skill set...

It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

halloween 65

I'm not sure Hagan, Peat filled in fine with Armstead hurt. We need another TE anyway, Fleener stinks. With another NT crushing the middle gets easier and helps the DE's out in return, I put Anthony back in the middle and draft an OLB. I don't think we get 5 games out of Kiki and wouldn't mind Kruger getting another 1 year deal. If we have to be weak I would rather it be on that end side where they have to deal with Ellerbe if the DE misses out.

halloween 65

With a 1st for Armsted and late 2nd or early 3rd for Vaccarro I think we could add some really good players on both side of the ball.

spkb25

How many picks do we have this draft? Subtract 2 for moving up to select players who have past injuries and will never really get off the ground.

ScottF

Sign a FA guard and use the draft on defense.
Again, we had the top offense in 2016, and were 2nd in 2015. We were 6th best in sacks allowed.
Other than some depth on the line (and long term answers) what do we really need on offense?
With the number of quality defenders available, I'd rather see us get an extra pick by trading back to 16 or 17

jeanpierre

We currently have all our expected picks, except for a fifth round pick...

No. 11 (R1, 11)
No. 44 (R2, 10)
No. 74 (R3, 12)
No. 109 (R4, 11)
No. 150 (R5, 12) Traded to WAS in 2016
No. 185 (R6, 10)
No. 233 (R7, 11)

Notes:

The fourth through seventh rounds are estimated because the compensatory picks have yet to be assigned, based selection on our slot on last year's assignments...

Seattle is facing further discipline for not disclosing Sherman's injuries this season and their current penalty pick may be elevated to a second round pick...

jeanpierre

What trade value chart do you use for reference?

Just curious as I use DraftTek for reference...

2016 NFL Draft Trade Value Chart

hagan714

I see a cross over from an older scribbling I did for point values. I did not change them for the final list.

I was sloppy. Should have gone straight up without comp picks because as you said comp picks has not been officially finalized. or have they? lol

My points are with comp picks. Though I did not look at those picks for trade options because i actually forgot you can trade them this year. Makes letting players walk more tempting now. Drafttek does not have comp picks figured in.

This is not a final list for comp picks nor has it been finalized by any sense of the word. Best guess. so take it with a grain of salt. enough disclaimers?

Round 3
97 Denver
98 Miami
99 Carolina
100 Baltimore
101 Tennessee
102 Denver
103 New England
104 Kansas City
105 Seattle

Round 4
138 NY Jets
139 Cincinnati
140 Philadelphia
141 LA Rams
142 Cleveland
143 Indianapolis
144 San Francisco
145 Cincinnati
146 Denver

Round 5
178 Miami
179 Arizona
180 Kansas City
181 Cleveland
182 Green Bay
183 Pittsburgh
184 New England
185 Seattle

Round 6
217 Kansas City
218 Cincinnati
219 Kansas City
220 LA Rams
221 Cincinnati

Round 7
I have not gone here yet

Kinda changes the power brokers in the draft. Roger once again adds excitement at what risk? time will tell

"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

Euphoria

I sort of like what they did last draft. They seemed to address or get pics on every level of O and D... keep young blood flowing on those levels that way.

jeanpierre

Agree that addressing every level is important, but I didn't like what they did spending two picks for one pick; rather'd stay disciplined and let what may fall, fall to us...

Don't mind being aggressive for a great player, but d*mn, seemed like we wasted some picks...