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Old 03-18-2005, 03:47 PM   #1
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Jerome Pathon:
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 15 50 511
1999 Indianapolis Colts 10 2 14 163
2000 Indianapolis Colts 16 10 50 646
2001 Indianapolis Colts 4 3 24 330

2002 New Orleans Saints 14 13 43 523
2003 New Orleans Saints 16 12 44 578
2004 New Orleans Saints 15 7 34 581

*In 4 years with the Colts, Pathon scored a total of 5 TDs.
*In New Orleans, Pathon has caught 9 TDs in 3 seasons.
*In 4 years with the Colts Pathon caught 138 passes.
*In 3 years in New Orleans .. Pathon caught 121 passes

Willie Jackson:
1995 Jacksonville Jaguars 14 10 53 589
1996 Jacksonville Jaguars 16 2 33 486
1997 Jacksonville Jaguars 16 1 17 206
1998 Cincinnati Bengals 8 0 7 165
1999 Cincinnati Bengals 16 2 31 369 1
2000 New Orleans Saints 15 7 37 523
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 16 81 1046 12
2002 Washington Redskins 12 2 25 257
2003 Washington Redskins 0 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0 0
2004 Denver Broncos 0 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0 0

- Willie Jackson's only great year was when he was in Mike McCarthy's offense with Aaron Brooks as the QB. Fluke?

Joe Horn:
1996 Kansas City Chiefs 9 0 2 30 15.0 21
1997 Kansas City Chiefs 8 0 2 65 32.5
1998 Kansas City Chiefs 16 1 14 198
1999 Kansas City Chiefs 16 1 35 586
2000 New Orleans Saints 16 16 94 1340
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 16 83 1260
2002 New Orleans Saints 16 16 88 1312
2003 New Orleans Saints 15 14 78 973
2004 New Orleans Saints 16 16 94 1399

** Joe Horn was NOTHING before he was put in McCarthy's offense with Brooks as the QB. Fluke?

Fast Facts:

1. Pathon had better stats with McCarthy/Brooks than what he had with Peyton Manning.
2. Willie Jackson had a probowl type year with McCarthy/Brooks. Willie never did anything before or after the Saints.
3. Joe Horn, much like Willie Jackson, was a complete unknown before coming to the Saints.

Food for thought..





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Old 03-19-2005, 03:02 AM   #2
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Jerome Pathon:
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 15 50 511
1999 Indianapolis Colts 10 2 14 163
2000 Indianapolis Colts 16 10 50 646
2001 Indianapolis Colts 4 3 24 330

2002 New Orleans Saints 14 13 43 523
2003 New Orleans Saints 16 12 44 578
2004 New Orleans Saints 15 7 34 581

*In 4 years with the Colts, Pathon scored a total of 5 TDs.
*In New Orleans, Pathon has caught 9 TDs in 3 seasons.
*In 4 years with the Colts Pathon caught 138 passes.
*In 3 years in New Orleans .. Pathon caught 121 passes

Willie Jackson:
1995 Jacksonville Jaguars 14 10 53 589
1996 Jacksonville Jaguars 16 2 33 486
1997 Jacksonville Jaguars 16 1 17 206
1998 Cincinnati Bengals 8 0 7 165
1999 Cincinnati Bengals 16 2 31 369 1
2000 New Orleans Saints 15 7 37 523
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 16 81 1046 12
2002 Washington Redskins 12 2 25 257
2003 Washington Redskins 0 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0 0
2004 Denver Broncos 0 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0 0

- Willie Jackson\'s only great year was when he was in Mike McCarthy\'s offense with Aaron Brooks as the QB. Fluke?

Joe Horn:
1996 Kansas City Chiefs 9 0 2 30 15.0 21
1997 Kansas City Chiefs 8 0 2 65 32.5
1998 Kansas City Chiefs 16 1 14 198
1999 Kansas City Chiefs 16 1 35 586
2000 New Orleans Saints 16 16 94 1340
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 16 83 1260
2002 New Orleans Saints 16 16 88 1312
2003 New Orleans Saints 15 14 78 973
2004 New Orleans Saints 16 16 94 1399

** Joe Horn was NOTHING before he was put in McCarthy\'s offense with Brooks as the QB. Fluke?

Fast Facts:

1. Pathon had better stats with McCarthy/Brooks than what he had with Peyton Manning.
2. Willie Jackson had a probowl type year with McCarthy/Brooks. Willie never did anything before or after the Saints.
3. Joe Horn, much like Willie Jackson, was a complete unknown before coming to the Saints.

Food for thought..




I CAN THINK OF ANOTHER UNKNOWN WHO WAS NOTHING UNTIL HE SWITCHED TEAMS---BRETT FAVRE!
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Old 03-19-2005, 08:37 AM   #3
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I don\'t think it was a fluke that these guys had better numbers in NO. It just goes to show that you have a lot better chance of catching the ball when you are on the field rather than watching from the sidelines.
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Old 03-19-2005, 09:13 AM   #4
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Jake Delhomme

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..guesss Saint_LB is on to something...
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Jake Delhomme

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2002 New Orleans Saints Bench
2003 Carolina Panthers Superbowl QB

..guesss Saint_LB is on to something...
Jake Delhomme in 2004 went ... what? 7-9? Just goes to show you Jake had very little to do with going to the superbowl.

Let me make it more clear. No dominant defense and Jake led his team to a sub .500 season.

Wonder what kind of record Jake would have with the Saints 32nd ranked defense? Ooops

[Edited on 19/3/2005 by GumboBC]
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Old 03-19-2005, 09:45 AM   #6
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Jake Delhomme

New Orleans Saints
2001New Orleans Saints Bench
2002 New Orleans Saints Bench
2003 Carolina Panthers Superbowl QB

..guesss Saint_LB is on to something...
Jake Delhomme in 2004 went ... what? 7-9? Just goes to show you Jake had very little to do with going to the superbowl.

Let me make it more clear. No dominant defense and Jake led his team to a sub .500 season.

Wonder what kind of record Jake would have with the Saints 32nd ranked defense? Ooops

[Edited on 19/3/2005 by GumboBC]
Brooks in 2004 went, what?? 8-8
...wonder what kind of record Brooks would have had without Horn, Deuce, Stecker, Karney, and 4 new linemen? Oops...
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Old 03-19-2005, 10:25 AM   #7
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Joe Horn:
1996 Kansas City Chiefs 9 0 2 30 15.0 21
1997 Kansas City Chiefs 8 0 2 65 32.5
1998 Kansas City Chiefs 16 1 14 198
1999 Kansas City Chiefs 16 1 35 586
2000 New Orleans Saints 16 16 94 1340
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 16 83 1260
2002 New Orleans Saints 16 16 88 1312
2003 New Orleans Saints 15 14 78 973
2004 New Orleans Saints 16 16 94 1399
How much of that was Blake under Center ???

David Sloan

1995 Detroit Lions 16 8 17 184
1996 Detroit Lions 4 4 7 51
1997 Detroit Lions 14 12 29 264
1998 Detroit Lions 10 2 11 146
1999 Detroit Lions 16 15 47 591
2000 Detroit Lions 15 10 32 379
2001 Detroit Lions 15 15 37 409
2002 New Orleans Saints 16 14 12 127
2003 New Orleans Saints 4 0 0 0

Ernie Conwell

1996 St. Louis Rams 10 8 15 164
1997 St. Louis Rams 16 16 38 404
1998 St. Louis Rams 7 7 15 105
1999 St. Louis Rams 3 0 1 11
2000 St. Louis Rams 16 1 5 40
2001 St. Louis Rams 16 13 38 431
2002 St. Louis Rams 16 11 34 419
2003 New Orleans Saints 10 10 26 290
2004 New Orleans Saints 16 10 10 102

Brooks - ye old killer of the tight end ...... :P

[Edited on 19/3/2005 by saintz08]

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Old 03-19-2005, 01:13 PM   #8
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Jake Delhomme

New Orleans Saints
2001New Orleans Saints Bench
2002 New Orleans Saints Bench
2003 Carolina Panthers Superbowl QB

..guesss Saint_LB is on to something...
Jake Delhomme in 2004 went ... what? 7-9? Just goes to show you Jake had very little to do with going to the superbowl.

Let me make it more clear. No dominant defense and Jake led his team to a sub .500 season.

Wonder what kind of record Jake would have with the Saints 32nd ranked defense? Ooops

[Edited on 19/3/2005 by GumboBC]
Thank you Gumbo...people forget that D is what get you far in the playoffs. Dilfer won a SB for cryin\' out loud!!!!!
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Old 03-19-2005, 05:58 PM   #9
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Jerome Pathon:
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 15 50 511
1999 Indianapolis Colts 10 2 14 163
2000 Indianapolis Colts 16 10 50 646
2001 Indianapolis Colts 4 3 24 330

2002 New Orleans Saints 14 13 43 523
2003 New Orleans Saints 16 12 44 578
2004 New Orleans Saints 15 7 34 581

*In 4 years with the Colts, Pathon scored a total of 5 TDs.
*In New Orleans, Pathon has caught 9 TDs in 3 seasons.
*In 4 years with the Colts Pathon caught 138 passes.
*In 3 years in New Orleans .. Pathon caught 121 passes
In 4 years with the Colts, Pathon played 46 games.

In 3 years with the Saints, Pathon played 45 games.

His first year with the Colts he was a rookie, and it is widely recognized that rookie WRs don\'t do much their rookie years. So did he really do that much more here?
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Old 03-19-2005, 06:33 PM   #10
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That is an interesting argument.

Pathon seems like an interesting example, but I\'ve got to agree with this criticism in the other cases - it is hard to do anything when riding the pine.

Pathon is interesting evidence for ourQB not being as bad as some make out. On the other hand, some of the things he does are also evidence that he is that bad. I don\'t know what I think about this yet, but I\'m pretty sure that the Pathon evidence isn\'t all that strong by itself.

What is the conclusion again?
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