Stats are evil

Tobias-Reiper · 03-24-2005, 12:49 PM

come on... it is a very simple question.. You got a set of stats in from of you.
What does YAC have to do with running the ball? Who keeps count of broken tackles?

shadowdrinker · 03-24-2005, 12:53 PM

I know where you are going..

Dillon vs. Allen..

And it\'s not a matter of who\'s better..It\'s a matter of..who\'s GREATER?

And there\'s a huge difference between the two...

And I find it important when comparing rushing stats to know who got more yards after contact (yac)..and TD\'s and to included how many games have been played to acheive that average would be helpful too..

You didn\'t provide enough info for me to judge who is better in my opinion...so..I can\'t answer...

[Edited on 24/3/2005 by shadowdrinker]

Tobias-Reiper · 03-24-2005, 01:10 PM

...I thought you were referring to Yards After the Catch... my bad...

..and I see you read my post on the other thread before I deleted it... but forget those names for now, let\'s just deal with the stats in front of us...

...here you have agreed /proved that a simple set of averages cannot determine which player is the better football player, even though clearly RB X has better \"stats\"...

so let me give you some more information:

Both players started 16 games.
RB \"X\" 100 yds per game 4.5 yds per carry 10 TDs 200 YAC
RB \"Y\" 80 yds per game 3.5 yds per carry 8 TDs 20 YAC

..so I would ask again, who\'s the better RB?

shadowdrinker · 03-24-2005, 01:15 PM

From the info alone..And I\'m sure I\'m not alone..I would take RB X...200 yac is pretty impressive compared to 20...infact, every catagory is favored toward X..So, on paper ..He is superior..

4saintspirit · 03-24-2005, 01:19 PM

..Anyway, in an attempt to bring some good discussion back:

Say you have 2 RBs...
In a full 16 game season:
RB \"X\" averages 100 yds per game and 4.5 yards per carry.
RB \"Y\" averages 80 yds per game and 3.5 yards per carry.
Who is the better RB?

How many times did the guy averaging 100 yards a game play the Saints. If he played them twice and the other guy played the steelers and patriots twice I\'d say the guy with the worse stats -- see how stats can be misleading

BreesFN9 · 03-24-2005, 01:26 PM

The word STATS is a palindrome!

It is spelt the same backwards as forwards!

It has the SAME meaning backwards and forwards!

It sums up this thread and everyones opinions on it.

I guess what I\'m saying is that the title \" Stats are evil \" Is very accurate because NO matter how hard you try to change the word and it\'s meaning It\'s still comes out the SAME, Forwards or Backwards, as everyone\'s opinions in this thread will remain.

bignic26 · 03-24-2005, 01:28 PM

That\'s the best post I\'ve seen yet on the matter StallworthFN, well done.

shadowdrinker · 03-24-2005, 01:31 PM

How many times did the guy averaging 100 yards a game play the Saints. If he played them twice and the other guy played the steelers and patriots twice I\'d say the guy with the worse stats -- see how stats can be misleading [/quote:d474056073]

No..that info wasn\'t included in the original comparison...

only fromthe ifo provided..tell me why I should believe X is better than Y?

4saintspirit · 03-24-2005, 01:37 PM

How many times did the guy averaging 100 yards a game play the Saints. If he played them twice and the other guy played the steelers and patriots twice I\'d say the guy with the worse stats -- see how stats can be misleading

No..that info wasn\'t included in the original comparison...

only fromthe ifo provided..tell me why I should believe X is better than Y? [/quote:567a6407a5]

That was my point -- you cannot tell who is better -- the statement over a 16 game schedule doesn\'t mean he played 16 games -- could have played 1 game (against the saints) while the other played all 16. Thats why baseball has a minimum number of bats, starts etc when determining who is on the leader board. But to be honest and fair - 8/10 times X would be better than Y

shadowdrinker · 03-24-2005, 01:42 PM

No..your doing it again...

With only these numbers...

In a full 16 game season:
RB \"X\" averages 100 yds per game and 4.5 yards per carry.
RB \"Y\" averages 80 yds per game and 3.5 yards per carry.

And NOTHING ELSE...nameless, faceless players... no scenarios..only the numbers...

Why should I believe that Y is better than X?

03-24-2005, 12:49 PM	#41
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Stats are evil come on... it is a very simple question.. You got a set of stats in from of you. What does YAC have to do with running the ball? Who keeps count of broken tackles?

03-24-2005, 12:53 PM	#42
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Stats are evil I know where you are going.. Dillon vs. Allen.. And it\'s not a matter of who\'s better..It\'s a matter of..who\'s GREATER? And there\'s a huge difference between the two... And I find it important when comparing rushing stats to know who got more yards after contact (yac)..and TD\'s and to included how many games have been played to acheive that average would be helpful too.. You didn\'t provide enough info for me to judge who is better in my opinion...so..I can\'t answer... [Edited on 24/3/2005 by shadowdrinker]
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03-24-2005, 01:10 PM	#43
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Stats are evil ...I thought you were referring to Yards After the Catch... my bad... ..and I see you read my post on the other thread before I deleted it... but forget those names for now, let\'s just deal with the stats in front of us... ...here you have agreed /proved that a simple set of averages cannot determine which player is the better football player, even though clearly RB X has better \"stats\"... so let me give you some more information: Both players started 16 games. RB \"X\" 100 yds per game 4.5 yds per carry 10 TDs 200 YAC RB \"Y\" 80 yds per game 3.5 yds per carry 8 TDs 20 YAC ..so I would ask again, who\'s the better RB?
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03-24-2005, 01:15 PM	#44
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Stats are evil From the info alone..And I\'m sure I\'m not alone..I would take RB X...200 yac is pretty impressive compared to 20...infact, every catagory is favored toward X..So, on paper ..He is superior..
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03-24-2005, 01:19 PM	#45
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Stats are evil ..Anyway, in an attempt to bring some good discussion back: Say you have 2 RBs... In a full 16 game season: RB \"X\" averages 100 yds per game and 4.5 yards per carry. RB \"Y\" averages 80 yds per game and 3.5 yards per carry. Who is the better RB? How many times did the guy averaging 100 yards a game play the Saints. If he played them twice and the other guy played the steelers and patriots twice I\'d say the guy with the worse stats -- see how stats can be misleading
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03-24-2005, 01:26 PM	#46
BreesFN9 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 596	Stats are evil The word STATS is a palindrome! It is spelt the same backwards as forwards! It has the SAME meaning backwards and forwards! It sums up this thread and everyones opinions on it. I guess what I\'m saying is that the title \" Stats are evil \" Is very accurate because NO matter how hard you try to change the word and it\'s meaning It\'s still comes out the SAME, Forwards or Backwards, as everyone\'s opinions in this thread will remain.

03-24-2005, 01:28 PM	#47
bignic26 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 122	Stats are evil That\'s the best post I\'ve seen yet on the matter StallworthFN, well done.
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03-24-2005, 01:31 PM	#48
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Stats are evil How many times did the guy averaging 100 yards a game play the Saints. If he played them twice and the other guy played the steelers and patriots twice I\'d say the guy with the worse stats -- see how stats can be misleading [/quote:d474056073] No..that info wasn\'t included in the original comparison... only fromthe ifo provided..tell me why I should believe X is better than Y?
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03-24-2005, 01:37 PM	#49
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Stats are evil How many times did the guy averaging 100 yards a game play the Saints. If he played them twice and the other guy played the steelers and patriots twice I\'d say the guy with the worse stats -- see how stats can be misleading No..that info wasn\'t included in the original comparison... only fromthe ifo provided..tell me why I should believe X is better than Y? [/quote:567a6407a5] That was my point -- you cannot tell who is better -- the statement over a 16 game schedule doesn\'t mean he played 16 games -- could have played 1 game (against the saints) while the other played all 16. Thats why baseball has a minimum number of bats, starts etc when determining who is on the leader board. But to be honest and fair - 8/10 times X would be better than Y
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03-24-2005, 01:42 PM	#50
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Stats are evil No..your doing it again... With only these numbers... In a full 16 game season: RB \"X\" averages 100 yds per game and 4.5 yards per carry. RB \"Y\" averages 80 yds per game and 3.5 yards per carry. And NOTHING ELSE...nameless, faceless players... no scenarios..only the numbers... Why should I believe that Y is better than X?
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