Saints have big decisions at TE

02-06-2018, 06:03 AM

Good article. Fleener should be cut this week. Hill and Hoo-man entering the last year of contracts. It’s time to make a move at TE.

I’m fine with Graham as a stop-gap to mirror Brees’s remaining years. The draft has three very intriguing players who should be there for us in rounds 1-3.

Hurst, Andrews, Fumagalli. All are tall with speed and range.

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triman · 02-06-2018, 06:12 AM

Dalton Schultz is an interesting player that reminds me of Jason Witten. Great blocker with good hands

ScottF · 02-06-2018, 06:43 AM

Cutting Fleener frees up 3, but also leaves 5 in dead money.

He is not awful, just not worth what he is getting. Wonder if his agent is smart enough to see that

saintsfan1976 · 02-06-2018, 07:00 AM

Fleener has had two years. Cut bait.

SmashMouth · 02-06-2018, 07:24 AM

One more year for Fleecer, then cut bait.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-06-2018, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

One more year for Fleecer, then cut bait.

His contract is rightside up for the Saints now. $8 million cap hit if he plays for the Saints in 2018 vs $4.8 million dead cap if released. Likely thius offseason he'll be requested to take a pay cut and be released if he refuses.

SFIAH

K Major · 02-06-2018, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

One more year for Fleecer, then cut bait.

I can't see this happening. "Fleecer" is a goner in 2018.

ChrisXVI · 02-06-2018, 08:53 AM

Just for reference here’s the financial ramifications of moving on from Fleener this year.

PRE-6/1 RELEASE
2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000
2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000

PRE-6/1 TRADE
2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000
2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000

POST-6/1 RELEASE
2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000
2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000

POST-6/1 TRADE
2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000
2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000

It looks like he’s an ideal candidate for a post-6/1 designation, but that doesn’t really help us in free agency this year.

ScottF · 02-06-2018, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Just for reference here’s the financial ramifications of moving on from Fleener this year.

PRE-6/1 RELEASE
2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000
2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000

PRE-6/1 TRADE
2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000
2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000

POST-6/1 RELEASE
2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000
2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000

POST-6/1 TRADE
2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000
2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000

It looks like he’s an ideal candidate for a post-6/1 designation, but that doesn’t really help us in free agency this year.

It does if we make a hand shake deal with Brees and then make it official on June 2

ChrisXVI · 02-06-2018, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

It does if we make a hand shake deal with Brees and then make it official on June 2

I could be wrong, but I think if Brees doesn’t have a new contract by 3/14 we get hit with $18 million in dead cap.

02-06-2018, 06:03 AM	#1
Threaded by saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,538 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) Good article. Fleener should be cut this week. Hill and Hoo-man entering the last year of contracts. It’s time to make a move at TE. I’m fine with Graham as a stop-gap to mirror Brees’s remaining years. The draft has three very intriguing players who should be there for us in rounds 1-3. Hurst, Andrews, Fumagalli. All are tall with speed and range. Saints position outlook: New Orleans has some big decisions to make at tight end \| Saints \| theadvocate.com
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02-06-2018, 06:12 AM	#2
triman 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 783	Re: Saints have big decisions at TE Dalton Schultz is an interesting player that reminds me of Jason Witten. Great blocker with good hands
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02-06-2018, 06:43 AM	#3
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints have big decisions at TE Cutting Fleener frees up 3, but also leaves 5 in dead money. He is not awful, just not worth what he is getting. Wonder if his agent is smart enough to see that

02-06-2018, 07:00 AM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,538 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints have big decisions at TE Fleener has had two years. Cut bait.

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02-06-2018, 08:02 AM	#6
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Saints have big decisions at TE Originally Posted by SmashMouth One more year for Fleecer, then cut bait. His contract is rightside up for the Saints now. $8 million cap hit if he plays for the Saints in 2018 vs $4.8 million dead cap if released. Likely thius offseason he'll be requested to take a pay cut and be released if he refuses. SFIAH

02-06-2018, 08:37 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,044 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints have big decisions at TE Originally Posted by SmashMouth One more year for Fleecer, then cut bait. I can't see this happening. "Fleecer" is a goner in 2018.

02-06-2018, 08:53 AM	#8
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints have big decisions at TE Just for reference here’s the financial ramifications of moving on from Fleener this year. PRE-6/1 RELEASE 2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000 2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000 PRE-6/1 TRADE 2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000 2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000 POST-6/1 RELEASE 2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000 2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000 2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000 POST-6/1 TRADE 2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000 2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000 2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000 It looks like he’s an ideal candidate for a post-6/1 designation, but that doesn’t really help us in free agency this year.
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02-06-2018, 09:23 AM	#9
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints have big decisions at TE Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Just for reference here’s the financial ramifications of moving on from Fleener this year. PRE-6/1 RELEASE 2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000 2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000 PRE-6/1 TRADE 2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000 2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000 POST-6/1 RELEASE 2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000 2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000 2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000 POST-6/1 TRADE 2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000 2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000 2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000 It looks like he’s an ideal candidate for a post-6/1 designation, but that doesn’t really help us in free agency this year. It does if we make a hand shake deal with Brees and then make it official on June 2

02-06-2018, 09:28 AM	#10
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints have big decisions at TE Originally Posted by ScottF It does if we make a hand shake deal with Brees and then make it official on June 2 I could be wrong, but I think if Brees doesn’t have a new contract by 3/14 we get hit with $18 million in dead cap. ScottF and saintsfan1976 like this.

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