saintfan

I know we've discussed it, but you need to provide some examples. HOW is it racial profiling? Providing examples of personal experience or of racial profiling in general isn't sufficient to show the AZ law (or the federal one for that matter) as racial profiling.

Again, the AZ law does not extend as far as the Federal law, which would have been struck down by the supreme court long ago had it been deemed racial profiling.

Securing our borders and deporting people in this country illegally isn't racial profiling.

strato

SF you know how i feel and you were in agreement for the most par tin chat the other nite..lets let it ride ..training camp is getting close..

saintfan

I agree it is a problem Strato, but I do NOT agree that something shouldn't be done, and I absolutely 100% with emphasis do NOT agree that the AZ law is racist. And the more I think about it the more I think another round of amnesty would be a huge mistake.

But yes, training camp is coming...thank God!

What we need here is a political forum. LOL

saintsfan1976

If you're breaking a law it's criminal - not racial.

strato

Yet given the meaninglessness of so many of the potential criteria that law enforcement might consider, the one that may end up counting most is race. "In practice, it is inevitable that this law will lead to racial profiling," says David Cole, a Georgetown University Law Center professor who has studied the issue in depth. "People don't wear signs saying that they are illegal immigrants, nor do illegal immigrants engage in any particular behavior that distinguishes them from legal immigrants and citizens. So police officers will not stop white people, and will stop Latinos, especially poor Latinos."

The truth is that the new law is absolutely about race, and if lawmakers condone racial profiling in any form, it could guide policing practices that would have a profound negative impact on all people of color, not just Latinos, who are "suspected" of not belonging. "Reasonable suspicion" without specific criteria is extraordinarily subjective, and threatens to violate the personal freedoms we cherish.

Embedded in this law--and the public discourse on racial profiling--is the erroneous assumption that people of color commit most crimes in this country. While racial disparities certainly exist for people of color in contact with the criminal justice system, whites (including those who identify as white Hispanic) officially constitute 69.2 percent of individuals who are arrested for committing crimes in this country. Of course, there is no sense in calling for a racial profiling bill that focuses on white Americans. To assume or assign culpability based upon any person's racial or ethnic categorization is not only discriminatory and irrational; it is a tremendous waste of public resources.

Criminalization, particularly in this economy, is not a sound response to the issue of immigration. It is, however, a potential assault on the liberties of people who are American citizens and who, because of their racial and ethnic classification alone, would be prone to discriminatory harassment. Our collective response to immigration reform must not be rooted in an endorsement of racial profiling or tied to costly and punitive incarceration. Instead, it must be comprehensive

saintfan

LMAO. Strato, have you read the law yet? There is nothing in that law that allows the police to stop anyone BECAUSE they are black, brown, white, yellow, or purple. There is NO evidence that this law (or the federal one that has been around a LOT longer) has generated profiling. NONE. If you disagree then find it and post it here.

This guy quoted, David Cole, is about a liberal as any human being can be, so it is not surprising that someone hollering 'racism' would post information from the single most liberal man on the planet. This is the opinion of people clearly one-sided on the debate.

The writer of the article gives the term liberalism a new definition. She's straight out of UC Berkley. You know anything about UC Berkely Strato? Their students parade signs over I-80 here EVERY day that read "Free Leonard". The Leonard they speak of MURDERED 2 FBI agents and was convicted in 1977 - he's still in jail.

All this to mean this little snippet is about as biased as they come, with no supporting evidence. You're going to want to try again I think...

That is a complete and total lie. No such thing is 'embedded' in the Arizona law nor is any such thing embedded in the FEDERAL law - which is why this little piece suggests it but fails to quote any real text. READ THE LAW please, and then quote the section of the law where this is "Embedded". What a load of horse crap.

A white guy, a black guy, and a mexican guy are all standing on the banks of the rio grand, on the American side. Which one is the 'most likely' to be in the country illegally? You may not LIKE the answer to that question, but that doesn't make it any less realistic, and you can scream racism until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change anything.

Criminalization of a thing is what happens to a thing when it is ILLEGAL, which crossing into our country in the dead of night without the proper paperwork surely is. So now, according you to and this liberal nut job you quoted, we're not allowed to stop you or question you because you're Mexican? THAT, my friend, is racism...in reverse.

C'mon Man...

strato

Tell the truth ..dont you think the police will be looking for Mexicans in particular?....What would that be considered?..spic hunting?...

saintfan

Why don't we wait and look at the police stats after 6 months or so and THEN talk about it? To answer your question, no, the law doesn't provide for it. But the first time the cops stop a Mexican in Arizona for something here will come the racists. That's what the over-the-top criers of racism will do. Betcha.

strato

But the real question is.. will they stop my avatar?...lol.....bet they would..lol

saintfan

Dude "I" would stop your avatar. Are you kidding? LMAO