strato

Have you had it done to your family?

saintfan

Have I had what done to my family?

And at any rate why happened to my family or yours or anyone else's hadn't got one thing in this world to do with the law in Arizona.

Nobody here is trying to say racism doesn't exist. The topic is the illegal immigration law in Arizona. I am interested to know why you think it's racist, and unless your family has had some experience there with ICE or border patrol, whatever wrongs may have been perpetrated against them isn't relevant.

And again, I'm not trying to be pissy with you man, but I think you're being a good deal liberal with the "R" word as it relates to immigration, but I'm willing to listen if you're willing to explain.

C'mon Man...

strato

This is a shame..i have to say Bush atleast stood up for the mexicans..they do all his ranchwork ..go figure...

saintfan

Ok, so, I'm just going to stop adding to this thread. If you think the law is racist, please explain why - you aren't the only one who either feels that way or feels the need to use the term 'racist' with regards to illegal immigration.

If you'd like to explain I'd love to have the discussion, otherwise this isn't going to have a very happy ending me thinks. LOL

strato

The continuation is in the chatbox...lol

saintsfan1976

saintsfan1976

What your dad experienced and what's happening in AZ are two different things Strato. One is racist idiots and one is the law - and we've all felt the pain of both... Just for a frame of reference, I lived and worked in New Mexico for 6 years. I employed Mexicans (both legal and illegal), I dated a girl who's family had emigrated from Mexico. I ate at their homes, I worked side by side in vineyards picking grapes. I understand why immigration should work.

Bottom line is this (and just like I said before): The AZ law is the same as the U.S. law that is not being enforced.

Gov't in AZ is actually doing something about the people who are breaking their laws.

Illegal immigration has gone on for too long and we're now seeing the effects of millions of undocumented people added to our systems. Our current economic woes only magnify the issue.

America has come a long way since the Civil Rights movement and is a world leader in race/social relations...There's no way we're regressing at this stage.

BUT - this is not about racism or what happened to someone's family in the past. It's about the citizens of our nation being protected from illegals who are coming to America to commit crimes (and being an undocumented worker is a crime). NO, that doesn't mean that ALL people here illegally are bad people - it's quite the opposite. The majority of Hispanic illegals who have come here to do better for themselves are in fact law-abiding people.

BUT - many foreigners come to the US LEGALLY to work and then go back home. Follow the rules and then you're not killing our systems. (public schools, taxes, social security, etc).

Strato, this is a very sensitive subject by nature and one that we are all clearly passionate about for different reasons. My objective was not to draw you into an argument. I wanted to hear more of your explanation of WHY you thing this law is "racist". I even commented that I liked a point you made, but thought that you should elaborate...Don't think I'm attacking your beliefs - I just wanted to hear more of your opinion.

Ty

strato

TMW

saintfan

I am amazed at the number of people I've talked with on this issue that aren't aware of...well...a lot of things. A point I've made lately that seems to at least register with the anti-AZ crowd is this:

The United States is very popular - duh. No matter how much mud the rest of the world slings in our direction they want in - and they'll break laws and risk their lives attempting to cross oceans in tiny little boats to get here. In recognition of this, The United States put quotas in place, on a per country basis, such that only so many people from a given country will be allowed in legally in a given time frame. The backlog is decades long in some cases. Why is it then that America should simply turn its back on the Mexican border? Why should we grant amnesty to 11 million + people that broke the rules? Are those mexicans, no matter how honest or hard-working they may be, any more deserving than the guy in Zimbabwe who also wants a better life for his family? Would we be able to allow more people in, legally, from all over the world, if we managed to somehow stop the annual millions from streaming into the country illegally across our southern border?

Well, the answer is, obviously, yes, or at least maybe. Fair is fair, and the law is the law, and the people in Arizona have EVERY RIGHT to protect their border, just as those in Texas and California SHOULD be protecting theirs, as is written BY LAW, Federally.

All this nonsense - and all these people getting all hot and bothered and up in arms about the law in Arizona is a bunch of hogwash and political posturing for the legal Mexican vote. It IS that simple.

Oh, and I can assure every one of you, if the Canadians were breaching our Northern borders at the rate the Mexicans are breaching our southern border, those northern states would be pressing for enforcement of the Federal Law and passing laws of their own just like Arizona - and no one here or anywhere else would be calling them racist.

C'mon Man...

strato

Again its racial profiling...very simple to understand...and i dont have to type ten paragraphs to say those few words...but us arguing it wont change any aspect of this issue...i am done..