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Old 08-09-2012, 10:10 AM   #1
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It should be 100% neagative. He came up with Romneycare, now he's against it. His state was 46th in job creation during his time as Governor. He made his fortune at Bain by laying people off and outsourcing jobs. All the while saying he will create jobs, but giving no specifics on how. His tax plan gives the ones at the top like himself more breaks, while passing even more of the burden of our governments funding to the lower and middle class workers. The only reason he won't show his tax returns is because it would be impossible to argue for more unfairness in the tax code when he and the 1% pay little to no taxes already. Romney is the opposite of what our nation needs in a President. MSNBC has some shows that are completely biased. Fox News is completely biased as a network. I hear many well spoken Republicans on MSNBC who are allowed to share their views. You will never hear a positive word about a Democrat EVER on Fox News. Their premise of the Republicans are the gospel, the whole gospel, and nothing but the gospel, while ever one else is evil, is the most ridiculous view on the world I've ever heard. It's simply doesn't pass the common sence test. Romney didn't win by 20 points in his own party's clown show. To blame that on the media is again just ridiculous. I have yet to see anything said against him that wasn't factual like my points above. While recently, his welfare ad against President Obama was a complete and outright lie. I would love to here EITHER candidate lay out a clear, concise plan for moving our nation forward in regards to the debt, tax equality, and job creation. Neither side is doing that. The one that steps up to the plate and does that, will be in the White House for the next four years.
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It should be 100% neagative. He came up with Romneycare, now he's against it. His state was 46th in job creation during his time as Governor. He made his fortune at Bain by laying people off and outsourcing jobs. All the while saying he will create jobs, but giving no specifics on how. His tax plan gives the ones at the top like himself more breaks, while passing even more of the burden of our governments funding to the lower and middle class workers. The only reason he won't show his tax returns is because it would be impossible to argue for more unfairness in the tax code when he and the 1% pay little to no taxes already. Romney is the opposite of what our nation needs in a President. MSNBC has some shows that are completely biased. Fox News is completely biased as a network. I hear many well spoken Republicans on MSNBC who are allowed to share their views. You will never hear a positive word about a Democrat EVER on Fox News. Their premise of the Republicans are the gospel, the whole gospel, and nothing but the gospel, while ever one else is evil, is the most ridiculous view on the world I've ever heard. It's simply doesn't pass the common sence test. Romney didn't win by 20 points in his own party's clown show. To blame that on the media is again just ridiculous. I have yet to see anything said against him that wasn't factual like my points above. While recently, his welfare ad against President Obama was a complete and outright lie. I would love to here EITHER candidate lay out a clear, concise plan for moving our nation forward in regards to the debt, tax equality, and job creation. Neither side is doing that. The one that steps up to the plate and does that, will be in the White House for the next four years.
As I have become older I've learned a few things, mostly by assuming a willing stance when people who have been around longer and seen much more start taking to me about stuff. There was a time when I wouldn't listen. These days I do.

Now, I live in California, the Lion's den. I am a conservative, or maybe a moderate, certainly an independent, among the liberals. A sheep among the wolves. I listen to them, talk to them, and I learn from them, as they learn from me. Interestingly, there isn't much difference in the stance of most right-thinking people (not politically right, but correct right), liberal or conservative or otherwise. Sure, there are hot-topic issues that we can count on for a good disagreement, but by and large we all have the same goal.

So I'm railing away yesterday at (with) one of my liberal friends who just renovated an apartment complex in Oakland and is now renting it to Berkeley students. It's next door to what is probably a crack house, although he fixed it up nicely. Our debate was on welfare and subsidizing people. Of course I want to help those that need help, but if they're using my money to buy beer, cigs, twinkies, whiskey, and weed, then, you know, I don't want to help them. He rails on them just like me, but he doesn't want to "judge" them.

Why? He feels exactly as I do. They are lazy. They grew up in a culture that told them living off the goverment dole was okay. Their parents did it. Their relatives are doing it. THEY are doing it. They don't have any aspirations. Just sit on the porch and get dizzy. They watch my friend come and go with gallons of paint, carpet, appliances, and then, when he's finished, one comes over and says...

"How much you gonna rent those for?"

"Well, this one is 1400, that one is 1800, and the other is 2000."

"You not gonna rent 'em section 8?"

"No, the market is good and I can get what I'm asking"

"Man you should rent section 8, and let me tell you why..."

So the guy goes into great detail on how to scam section 8. He's not stupid, and he's not too drunk to think, but he'd rather sit around trying to scam the system than to go get a damn job. My liberal friend laughs this off because he doesn't want to judge these people. I am angry beyond worlds...livid...frustrated...you name it.

We talk about how the public schools need money, and yet we continue to fund lazy bastards because we 'don't want to judge'. My liberal friend says to me...

"you know, I'm a live and let live kinda guy..."

I say, "Yeah, me too. Those people can live any way they want to live, but not on MY dime."

Now, my liberal friend doesn't want to judge them for scamming the system because he is scamming the system. He's using his mother-in-law's Berkeley address to send his kids to school in Berkeley rather than in Oakland. I don't blame him actually, for one because he's paying his maw-in-law's rent. Oakland is a bad, bad place, but it doesn't have to be. It's full of loafers and welfare recipients because the leadership there wants to be sensitive to the section 8-ers and the like. It's extreme liberalism run completely amuck, and those liberals who fund it with everyone else's money left a LONG time ago. They view themselves and helping the less-fortunate or being non-judgmental. It isn't their problem you see? They throw some money at it and sleep well at night because they view themselves as kind. I am without the ability to understand how they cannot comprehend the FACT that they are breeding a mentality where these people feel entitled to things that I have to work for, like a car, a home, insurance, a cell phone, and so on.

You gotta me kidding me?

No. I'm not.

I'm not saying all liberals are bad. They aren't. Some are genuine. Some aren't. Same as Conservatives and Moderates and Independents and so on, but the liberal agenda is where the money is. That's why FOX is the ONLY conservative choice. ABC, NBC, NPR, CBS, MSNBC, and on and on don't just tilt liberal, they ARE liberal. The quality of their reporting is no better than that of FOX. The best any of us can do is listen to them all, use some common sense, and try to define for ourselves an educated opinion.

I'm telling you all, regardless of your political leanings, we are ALL being had. Each and every one of us is being taken, because we're too busy with work, school, life, or whatever to WAKE UP! They WANT us debating this silliness. It is by design. American politics has become nothing more than glorified marketing campaigns. It sickens me all the way to the core. Obama or Romney? Coke or Pepsi? We should have REAL choices, but they don't want us to have real choices. And we're letting them get away with it.

And you know what? It's not Obama's fault. It's not GW's fault, or Clinton's or Romney's or any of those people. The fault for the mess we're in is squarely on OUR shoulders. We, the People. If you want to know who is to blame, look in the mirror. We have allowed big corporations, special interests, and political agendas to corrupt our system of government all the way to the brink, and believe me, the brink is where we are standing.

Here's how we fix it. We start with campaign finance reform. Serious reform. Next comes term limits. We have to rid Washington of career politicians and replace them with people who are of a mind to serve. This will take care, in large part, of the special interests. Of course neither of these alone or all three combined is the end all fix, but they are a damn good place to start.

And I'll tell you something else. As much as it pains me to say it, Bill Maher is 100% right. American's are simply too damn stupid to govern themselves. But there's a fix for that too. Require that anyone who wants to vote must pass a citizenship test. The same one immigrants have to take. We need informed voters, not people who vote for free crap. Those people FAR outnumber middle and upper class Americans, and their votes are not educated and not based on what's best for the country - only for them as they continue to waller in the satisfaction they get through living of my dime and giving nothing in return.

WAKE UP. The founders placed a heavy burden on us - on We, the People. WE are REQUIRED to stand up to the fools in Washington and run them out of town on a rail. Think about it. We have strayed so far from the founder's intentions. Read the Constitution. Understand that EVERY WORD was carefully and individually crafted by brilliant men with a vision of a place where a person could thrive. We have become a welfare state.

WAKE UP. I beg you all to assume the responsibility the Constitution places on you. Stop being marketed to. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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