The Firing Pin (Gun thread)

[TheOak]

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[TheOak]

Difference between .223 and 5.56 NATO. Same goes for .308/7.62x51 NATO)

Short story: you can shoot both .223/5.56 NATO in a 5.56 chambered rifle. You can only shoot .223 in a .223 chambered rifle (SAFELY).
You can shoot .308/7.62x51 in a 7.62x51 chambered rifle, you can only shoot .308 in a .308 chambered rifle (SAFELY).


Some will tell you it is because of pressure, while that is the truth, it would help you to know the root cause of the increase pressure, and why it is that way. (Keeps people from thinking I'd they have a lower P 5.56 round they can shoot it in a .223 rifle).

The 5.56 round is neither a lower or higher pressure round than the .223.

The increased pressure is a function of two things.

.223 Smaller leade : The area between the chamber and the barrel rifling.

This could get deep so ill simplify.

.223 tighter tolerances
5.56 more durable looser tolerances (due to military durability requirement)

Essentially each time you try to chamber a 5.56 round in a .223 you run the risk of the projectile being against the rifling before fired.


.223 is measured in SAAMI pressures

5.56 is NATO EPVAT pressures

If anyone want to read more let me know and I can provide links to more info.

Rule of thumb- for a semi automatic rifle I always buy 5.56 chamber as it allows me to shoot either cartridge.

[Danno]

Finally got it. Yeah, its a cheapo but it fits my needs well and feels good in my hand.

Its no Glock, but for 349 brand new, I'm pretty pleased... kinda nervous about it a bit, but I feel pretty good about the purchase.





SD9 VE

Now I just need to find some cheap ammo. Its pretty scarce around here right now.

[TheOak]

What are you nervous about?

What ammo do you need? I can get anything you need and if you have a FedEx or ups acct you can schedule a pick up and it goes to your house.

[TheOak]

I jetted my SCAR 17, I already have a SCAR 16, and didn't need redundant platforms with no distance differential to speak of with both having a 16" barrel.

I'm working Ina new prospect.

[SmashMouth]

[TheOak]

The biggest educational item for me in regards to rifles is the subject of Optics for range shots. This article is excellent if anyone ever has the need for the education.

Scope Reticles 101
Which scope do you recommend? I get asked this question several times a month. I wish the answer was as simple as the question. There are several factors we should consider before making a choice. The next few questions will help clarify the proper response to the question.

What gun is it going on? Is it a semi auto 22 or a 300 WM bull barrel target rifle? Is it a 30-30 lever gun or an AK? The type of gun and the caliber are important factors in the scope and reticle choice. What do you plan to do with the gun? Self-defense has different requirements than hunting or target shooting. What caliber is the rifle? A 22 rim fire runs out of energy past 300 yards. What are the external ballistics of the round? How fast does it loose velocity?

It makes no sense to put an optic designed to shoot a thousand yards on a rifle/ cartridge that is not accurate at that distance. Here is an example. The 7.62x 39 cartridge velocity is approximately 1150 fps at 500 yards; at 600 it falls below 1000 fps. Generally 1000 fps is about the speed at which rifle bullets become unstable. This instability causes the bullet to yaw and wobble. The wobble changes the flight path. Based on my experience unstable flight path can vary greatly. I am talking about variation by feet, not inches. If you add in weather and wind factors the variation is increased. So a 7.62x39 or a 30-30 would not be a good rifle for a 6-20 x 50 target scope. A 1-4 or 2-7 or a low power fixed scope would be a better choice for these calibers.

On the other end of the spectrum is the 338 Lapua. This round at 1000 yards still has a velocity of 1680fps. This means the cartridge is accurate well past 1500 yards. Installing an Eotech red dot or a 3-9 power scope is limiting the capabilities of the cartridge. Generally speaking having 1 power of magnification per hundred yards is good if you are shooting man size targets. If the man ducks behind cover or goes prone you may need more magnification to find and shoot this now smaller target. Higher power will also aide in range estimation. On the down side, higher power can amplify movement as the shooter moves the gun. It can also be difficult to shoot through the mirage on a high power setting.

Now that we have the basics as to what we want to do with the gun/ammo scope combination (also called the weapon system). We can look at reticles for the scopes. There are hundreds of different reticles available for scopes. The early scopes had crosshairs and nothing else. Since the invention of crosshairs in scopes man has looked at ways to improve the basic idea by adding thicker lines or removing a portion of the crosshairs (also called stadia lines). Today scopes have 4 categories of reticles.

Standard Reticles Fine, Crosshairs or Duplex

Illuminated Reticles; Eotech, Aimpoint or Trijicon

Hold Over recticles; a bullet drop compensator type

Ranging reticles; Mil-dot or MOA hash marks

(Combinations of 2 or more can also be found.)



This article will examine standard reticles and illuminated reticles.

The standard reticles group includes the t-post, target dot reticles. The stadia lines may be tapered or have two different widths. Standard recticles are used to zero a rifle at a specific distance. That is about as basic as it gets. The turrets on the basic scopes normally do not have numbers or revolution marks to adjust them to different zero points. They are meant to be zeroed and left alone. These types of scopes work well on rim fire and hunting rifles designed for 200 yards or less. With some practice the shooter can use them for longer shots by holding over on the target. They have no value in ranging to the target and adjusting for wind or weather changes.

The variable power scope with a duplex type reticle can be used for ranging by using the points where the stadia line reduces from thick to thin. This method works by adjusting the magnification so that a known object will fit the reticle between the horizontal line and the point where the vertical line changes width. This requires practice and the shooter should develop a range card to record this information.

Here is an example. Your target is a deer. It’s size from the top of the shoulder to the bottom of the belly is 18 inches. Now use the zoom to set the horizontal line on the top of the deer’s back and the point on the vertical line at his belly. Now determine the power setting. Reference this number to your range card and read the distance to target. Then you can use the hold over you established during practice to make a hit. For this to work the shooter must put in the time to gather the information and build the range card. This same principal works for many different types or styles of reticles.

The newest style of reticle is an illuminated reticle. There are 3 sources of illumination, battery power, fiber optics, and tritium. Combinations of the three can also be found. The most simple of these is the battery power models with a round dot in the center of the lens. The red dot reticle can vary in size, shape and clarity. With variable power scopes and red dot scopes the quality of the glass can vary. Better quality glass will result in a crisp edge to the dot type reticle.

Try this little test. Pick up a cheap red dot and turn the power up to its highest setting. Notice the dot is not perfectly round; it can look like a star. Or it may have streamers coming from the center. While taking a sight picture rotate the red dot. See if the streamers rotate with the scope body. No streamers means the glass is of high quality. Another test is to take the red dot scope into the full sun and check to see if the dot is visible. In some of the economy models the dot will almost disappear. Next look at in in very low light. The dot should be visible but not so bright that you can’t see the target past the sight. The size of the dot makes a difference as well.

An EO Tech has a 1 min dot in a 65 min circle. These are designed to use the small dot for accuracy and the large circle for speed. The Aimpoint models have a 3.5 min or 8 min dot. For a rifle or carbine I like the 3.5 min dot. Why the smaller dot on a carbine? The dot covers up 3.5 inches of the target at 100 yards or 7 inches at 200 yards. I can still make a head shot at 200 yards with it. The 8 min dot would be 16 inches at 200 thus making a head shot hard. The average head is 8 inches wide. The Leupold Delta sight uses an illuminated triangle instead of a round dot. This gives the shooter an option: fast shooting at close range when referencing the entire triangle on target or using the top point of the triangle if a more precise shot is needed. I recommend zeroing the rifle at 200 yards to the top point of the triangle or the top edge of the round dot. Bushnell has a multiple reticle red dot that has a circle dot, a small dot and “T” style reticle. The shooter can select all three if needed.

Battery life is a big factor when using a red dot scope. The first models lasted about 24 hours before the battery died. The latest model Trijicon RMR will run more than a year before the battery dies. The Leupold has a motion sensor that shuts down after 5 minutes of no movement. The standard red dot sights do not have any magnification. Therefore, long range precision is no better than when using sights. If these are used on a rifle the shooter is limiting the performance of the weapon system. Power failure while using battery powered sights is the main reason for having back up iron sights on a gun. The other option is to use the scope itself as a huge ghost ring and put the target in the center and press the trigger.

Fiber optic illuminated red dot sights have the advantage of not needing a battery for illumination. No battery means no power failure. A benefit of the fiber optic system is the brightness level automatically adjusts to the ambient light. This also means it is always on. A few models even have a shade so the shooter can block some of the ambient light to reduce the reticle brightness. There are 3 styles of reticles for fiber optic scopes, a solid round circle, a triangle and a chevron (an inverted “V”). There are also color options of red, green and amber. I have used all three and I like the green the best. The red can disappear on a red target or on the red dirt here in Georgia. The green is a fluorescent green that has a good contrast in foliage. Also green is in the middle of the light spectrum and is easier for the brain to pick up. The amber blends in on fall days with flat light or in reduced light. To me green is the easiest color to pick up in a wide variety of light conditions. The size of the reticle is just as important on a fiber optic scope as it is on a red dot scope. Fiber optic scopes have one big advantage; the availability of magnification with them. There are fixed power and variable power scopes available with fiber optic reticles.

There are a limited number of scopes with tritium illuminated reticles. They work well in low light but are not bright enough by themselves to work in sun light. Normally these are combined with fiber optics to give the shooter a sight in very low or no light. One down side to tritium is they do not last forever. The half- life is 12 years.

For a fighting rifle I would only use a scope that will continue to work when the battery dies. If the battery dies and I can’t use the scope my effectiveness as a rifleman just diminished. We should all have the knowledge and skill to point shoot the rifle in CQB without the use of any sight system.

We covered the 2 basic types of reticles in this article. Both have their good points and drawbacks. Remember any time you get to look through a scope outdoors take the opportunity to learn about the scopes. Learning experiences are valuable specially if they are free. Part two of this article will cover hold over style reticles and ranging reticles.

Please join me for the Guerrilla Sniper I in Blakley GA March 8-10
WARRIOR TALK NEWS - Scope Reticles 101

[TheOak]

My latest addition:
This is not mine but is exaftly what is sitting in my safe, with the exception that I have the military upper with forward assist and dust cover for the ejection port.

JP LRP-07H 18" barrel. .308/7.62

[SmashMouth]

Got one of there yet?

Taliban picked off by a .50 cal Sniper Rifle - YouTube

Taliban picked off by a .50 cal Sniper Rifle - YouTube

Is this the right technique to shoot a gun like this?

[TheOak]

No lol I do not have a Barrett .50 BMG yet. I would love one but that rifle is designed to destroy equipment (anti-material rifle) and I just don't have many APCs roaming through my neighborhood. Also at near $8k for the rifle and $3 per round.. I dont need one that bad.

That picture does not do the .50 BMG justice this one does so you can see the size of the round.


here is another



That rifle can truly reach out and touch someone. Hard. There is a sniper in Iraq and pulled off a double kill from 600m+ the round went through the first guys mid section cutting him in half and then killed the guy behind that guy.