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SapperSaint 12-04-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 550452)
Look what I found this weekend.
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I can't believe your's still has it's cover. Thats awesome.

WhoDat!656 12-05-2013 07:19 PM

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WhoDat!656 12-16-2013 09:18 PM

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I want one!

WhoDat!656 12-21-2013 01:01 PM

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wrong forum

SmashMouth 12-21-2013 04:54 PM

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End of the line for the lead bullet? Regulations, bans force switch to 'green' ammo | Fox News

WhoDat!656 12-24-2013 04:41 PM

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Mikhail Kalashnikov, inventor of AK-47, dies at 94 - CNN.com

WhoDat!656 12-29-2013 05:02 PM

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A Tale of Two Cities

Chicago, IL

Houston, TX





Population

2.7 million

2.15 million





Median HH Income

$38,600

$37,000





% African-American

38.9%

24%





% Hispanic

29.9%

44%





% Asian

5.5%

6%





% Non-Hispanic White

28.7%

26%






Pretty similar until you compare the following:






Chicago, IL

Houston, TX





Concealed Carry gun law

no

yes





# of Gun Stores

0

184 - Dedicated gun stores plus 1500 - legal places to buy guns- Walmart, K-mart, sporting goods, etc.





Homicides, 2012

1,806

207





Homicides per 100K

38.4

9.6





Avg. January high temperature (F)

31

63













Liberal conclusion: Cold weather causes murder.

whybag 12-30-2013 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 565713)
Liberal conclusion: Cold weather causes murder.

More like "guns purchased in other places are brought in for crimes. But not where they were bought...for some reason."

TheOak 12-31-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by whybag (Post 566310)
More like "guns purchased in other places are brought in for crimes. But not where they were bought...for some reason."



So you think guns are trucked in for crimes? Who is trucking them in.. The Government,. Another Fast and Furious?





Or is it plausible the guns are already there illegally and used in crimes because the criminals know that the law abiding citizens do not have them?

We have shootings here in Texas... We also have shootings-back and that makes even the biggest idiot think twice.

TheOak 01-04-2014 05:59 PM

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WhoDat!656 01-06-2014 02:51 PM

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Ready ... aim ... point ... talk - Times Union

TheOak 01-07-2014 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 569875)

So this happened Oct 24th and it is just going public now?

It is also allegedly... He either did or didnt.

What I find interesting is that in this day and age, when everyone has at least 1 cell phone, and all cell phones have cameras, there is not one image of him with his pistol in hand.

Regardless of all of that, he is an idiot if he did use his "pistol" for that purpose. A Glock with a laser aiming device attached to it uses a 1913 picatinny rail to attach the laser... meaning the laser if needed for a presentation can be removed in a few seconds.

being a stroke victim as stated and having an unsteady hand... a Glock is the last thing he should be carrying as they have no safety other than a trigger safety. He should carry a 1911 which has a dove tail safety AND a thumb safety.

SmashMouth 01-09-2014 05:18 PM

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US gun magazine producer to leave Colo. over gun laws

One of the largest producers of gun magazines in the U.S. is leaving Colorado because of its new gun laws and moving its operations to Texas and Wyoming.

Magpul Industries, based in Erie, Colorado, announced Thursday that it was moving its production, distribution and shipping operations to Cheyenne and its headquarters to Texas, making good on a vow it made to leave Colorado during last year's heated gun control debate.

In 2013, the company took out a newspaper ad stating it would leave should the state pass a ban on high-capacity magazines and add-ons for semi-automatic rifles.

The Democratic-led Colorado legislature and Gov. John Hickenlooper last year enacted a new law prohibiting the sale of gun magazines with more than 15 rounds. That and other new gun restrictions also led to the recall ouster of two Democratic state senators.

The company says its corporate headquarters will likely be in north-central Texas but an exact location hasn't been determined yet.

US gun magazine producer to leave Colo. over gun laws | Fox News

TheOak 01-10-2014 09:38 AM

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I am glad to see Magpul back up its statements from last year.
Magpul Industries directly employs 200+ people, supports another 400 supply-chain jobs, and contributes over $85 million annually to Colorado’s economy.

exile 01-10-2014 02:17 PM

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TheOak 01-16-2014 08:43 AM

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1.4M for a sculpture, not .01 to mental help for people that use weapons for the wrong reason or fear weapons for no reason.

This is not the Poli -Sci area Smash. That article would better be served in a place to discuss who does or doesn't feel a certain way about weapons than in an area about weapons them selves.

TheOak 01-16-2014 12:39 PM

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TheOak 01-17-2014 09:25 AM

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Since I don't have an area I may have covered this before, if not enjoy.

Misconceptions about home defense and the "mil-spec" tag or anything tagged as military.

"Mil-Spec"
If you are looking to buy a weapon please ignore the "mil-spec" that it may be described as having. This does not mean it is better, I repeat, that tag has zero to do with quality, or accuracy. This subject is debated quite often in many weapons forums and generally its the ex-military telling the civilian he is wrong in thinking "mil-Spec" adds value.

Mil-Spec = Mass production specifications for military weapons, the tolerances are actually looser because weapons meant for our military have to be able to tolerate mass production errors and harsh environment situations and still be able to function reliably. <--- Do not pay extra for this cr4p as most people do.

Military ammunition - Contrary to popular belief Military 5.56 in green tip penetrator(xm855) or FMJ are not designed for stopping power. Military ammo is not designed to kill for the most part it is designed to injure which brings more targets as aid. Don't use this for home defense.

IMHO do not use a pistol or rifle for home defense period. .45 ACP will penetrate 10 walls and .223/5.56 will penetrate 6 walls. Meaning if you miss, that round will go through that number of standard home walls before the round stops. Go shot gun with buck shot and not slugs. If you want to carry or keep something in your vehicle legally I would recommend a 10m 1911 style as 10m has incredible stopping power and the 1911 platform has 2 safeties.. generally a beaver tail meaning the pistol has to be gripped to shoot and a thumb safety so if both are not functioned the weapon will not fire.

As you can see from the ballistic gel there is very little difference between 9mm through 45 ACP.
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/w...r24/10mm-1.jpg

When buying optics/scopes for distance shooting. If you are shooting at range stay away from Mil-Dot military scopes. You will spend more time learning how to use and read the reticle than shooting. Military snipers used a fixed 10x scope with mil-dat but they have had years of training. Again, Military scopes are built and selected for durability and target acquisition by trained shooters.

TheOak 01-26-2014 07:12 AM

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Double barrel AR
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TheOak 01-26-2014 07:12 AM

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New ammo type
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dam1953 02-03-2014 03:46 PM

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I'm looking at picking up a 17 WSM for yote hunting. So far, it looks like Savage B. Mag (bolt action $$), Win Model 1885 (single shot $$$$) Volquartsen Custom (Semi-auto $$$$) are the only rifles available in the round.

Anyone have any experience with the round and or rifles?

TheOak 02-03-2014 08:18 PM

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No experience but the 1885 is a beauty.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=391278373

So is the Volq
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=390539252

You more of a modern firearms guy or classic?

Not much varmint shooting to do here in suburbia.

TheOak 02-03-2014 08:23 PM

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17 WSM
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dam1953 02-03-2014 08:36 PM

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Gave my son a 17 HMR Volg some years back. Great gun. It would be hard to match it's accuracy out to 100 yds. It just doesn't have the range for yotes, as your charts show. I'm leaning towards the Volg 17 WSM. Problem is Volq has become too popular. Prices have doubled in the past few years.

For urban/suburban varmints I recommend the Benjamin PCP Marauder in 25 cal. Accurate out to 100 - 150 yds and does a number on squirrels, raccoons, ground hogs, etc.

TheOak 02-04-2014 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dam1953 (Post 576910)
Gave my son a 17 HMR Volg some years back. Great gun. It would be hard to match it's accuracy out to 100 yds. It just doesn't have the range for yotes, as your charts show. I'm leaning towards the Volg 17 WSM. Problem is Volq has become too popular. Prices have doubled in the past few years.

For urban/suburban varmints I recommend the Benjamin PCP Marauder in 25 cal. Accurate out to 100 - 150 yds and does a number on squirrels, raccoons, ground hogs, etc.

Where are you shopping? Accuracy out to 100-125 shouldn't be too difficult? Floated accurate barrel, sights that hold a zero and quality ammo and you should be able to pop soup cans all day. I've seen the volquartsen in action on Top Shot, which is probably when they started to gain popularity.

Varmints I come across are much more pot worthy ;). Rabbits... Doves all day..... I've been randomly researching air guns lately to teach my girls to shoot. These are NOT the guns I grew up with. Lol

dam1953 02-04-2014 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 576927)
Where are you shopping? ......... I've been randomly researching air guns lately to teach my girls to shoot. These are NOT the guns I grew up with. Lol

I don't buy from any one gun shop. My recent purchases were from internet gun dealers shipped via my local FFL. The Volq came directly from Volq via the FFL.

Not many rabbits in the yard here but the squirrels wreck havoc on my bird feeders. Can't say I've been able to develop a taste for squirrel. Pot roast rabbit is another thing.

I would recommend the Marauder for your daughters. It comes in 17, 22 and 25 cal. The only issue is it weights 8 pounds without scope, sling or bipod. Pressurizing the cylinder with the hand pump is a pretty good workout. If your daughters are young and will be using it when you aren't around, you may want to consider a high pressure air tank for recharges.

TheOak 02-05-2014 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dam1953 (Post 577043)
I don't buy from any one gun shop. My recent purchases were from internet gun dealers shipped via my local FFL. The Volq came directly from Volq via the FFL.

Not many rabbits in the yard here but the squirrels wreck havoc on my bird feeders. Can't say I've been able to develop a taste for squirrel. Pot roast rabbit is another thing.

I would recommend the Marauder for your daughters. It comes in 17, 22 and 25 cal. The only issue is it weights 8 pounds without scope, sling or bipod. Pressurizing the cylinder with the hand pump is a pretty good workout. If your daughters are young and will be using it when you aren't around, you may want to consider a high pressure air tank for recharges.

Most of my shopping is through GB so I can avoid sales tax. Taxes add up on Nighthawk 1911, and JPE rifles.

My girls are 8-4 and will not be around anything resembling a gun with out me present and doing 90% of the handling.

As far as for dropping $500 on an air rifle, that is not happening either. The Beeman Match 12.5 is the way I will probably go... Better velocity, no airpump, or pumping required. I have owned Beeman and Benjamin and the Beemans last forever. When I say forever, my Beeman Hurricane pistol is 33 years old now and still rockin.

dam1953 02-05-2014 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 577128)
Most of my shopping is through GB so I can avoid sales tax. Taxes add up on Nighthawk 1911, and JPE rifles.

My girls are 8-4 and will not be around anything resembling a gun with out me present and doing 90% of the handling.

As far as for dropping $500 on an air rifle, that is not happening either. The Beeman Match 12.5 is the way I will probably go... Better velocity, no airpump, or pumping required. I have owned Beeman and Benjamin and the Beemans last forever. When I say forever, my Beeman Hurricane pistol is 33 years old now and still rockin.

The Maurader is definitely not for 8-4 year olds. My son and I split the cost 50 - 50 making the buy more reasonable. We take turns thinning out unwanted critters around our houses. The 25 cal was our choice because of the thick skulled ground hogs the plow our yards here in OH need a bit more convincing.

TheOak 02-06-2014 03:54 PM

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Gun porn
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SmashMouth 02-22-2014 04:34 AM

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Smart Pistols Hit Shelves

lee909 02-22-2014 06:57 AM

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Would anyone actually trust something like that?

I am no expert on firearms but no way would i be trusting a chip to have the gun fire.Surely you just want to flick the safety off and be able to fire?


I saw a piece on the BBC regarding the US Army testing new smart rifles.
I states that the target has to be tagged through the scope and if not lined up will not fire. Again surely you want this to be a soldiers choice to fire not a electronic chip.There are going to be cases of having to just pin down and suppress insurgents/enemy troops without actually being able to line up the shot to pick a specific target.




US Army tests TrackingPoint smart-rifle scopes
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The US Army is testing a "smart rifle" technology designed to improve the accuracy of shots.

A spokeswoman confirmed reports that its equipment testing specialists had acquired six TrackingPoint rifles as part of efforts to identify state-of-the-art kit.

The tech allows the user to place a virtual tag on a target seen through the weapon's scope.

If the trigger is pressed, it fires only if the gun is correctly lined up.

This prevents errors such as trigger jerk, range miscalculation and accidental firing from being a problem.

In addition, a Linux-based computer built into the scope can compensate for 16 calculated variables, including temperature, the expected spin drift of the bullet and the direction the wind is blowing.

Scope view
A TrackingPoint weapon is supposed to refuse to fire until a red dot is lined up with a tagged target
"I can only train a soldier so much," Lt Col Shawn Lucas, of the army's Program Executive Office (PEO) soldier division, told Army Times.

"However, for a relatively small investment, I can make a significant increase in probability of hit and overall effectiveness by making an investment in advanced fire control."

But one independent observer said the technology would not turn every soldier into a sniper.

"This isn't a revolutionary technology, but essentially laser-designation 'tagging' adapted from common use in more complex weapons systems for use on small arms," said Peter Quentin, of the defence-focused Rusi think tank.

"It is not going to create 'super-snipers' because it still cannot do what is the truly smart aspect of their skills - a full assessment of weather and other conditions that will affect the flight of the bullet, and [which] therefore requires considerable calculation to determine adjustments to the aim.

"But while this does not deepen capabilities, it has the potential to broaden them, improving the accuracy of larger numbers of less specialist personnel by enabling the 'retagging' of a target rather than retaking of a shot."

Precision tactics
According to the Austin, Texas-based company TrackingPoint, the addition of its scope to a rifle delivers five times the first-shot success rate of traditional systems at distances of up to 1,200 yards (1.1km).

TrackingPoint gun
The scopes use a laser range finder to lock onto a moving target
An associated app can also stream live video from the scope's head-up display to a smartphone or tablet - allowing the shooter's tags to be monitored.

Civilian versions of its shooting systems cost between $10,000 and $27,000 (£6,030 to £16,280), depending on the weapon used.

"We believe this technology will revolutionise the effectiveness of our fighting forces as they perform their duty for our country," chief executive John Lupher told the BBC.

The company is not the only one trying to make gunfire more accurate.

The Pentagon's Darpa research unit is developing a separate sniper scope called the One Shot XG that measures crosswinds gusting up to 54km/h (33.6mph), the range to the target and a resulting confidence score.

One Shot XG
Darpa is developing its own "smart" sniper scope to improve the accuracy of shots
Lockheed Martin is taking a different approach by developing self-guiding bullets that can steer themselves towards a target by using tiny fins to adjust their course mid-air in order to hit laser-designated targets at distances of more than a mile.

Mr Quentin suggested the demand for such technologies was growing because of a tactical shift away from the use of suppression fire, used to fix an enemy in one position, towards a precision model.

"Precision is required when operating amongst populations, such as Afghanistan, where targets must be positively identified and civilian casualties avoided at all costs," he said.

"In such environments first-time hits and avoidance of collateral damage are paramount - it is not just about what you hit, but who you miss.

"Such systems, therefore, offer the potential to broaden the capability of forces to deliver accurate fire on positively identified targets, but ultimately they can only be as smart as the personnel that operate them."

SmashMouth 02-24-2014 09:25 PM

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50 cal test ...


TheOak 03-01-2014 05:55 AM

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If anyone is trying to decide the best calibre for home defense or conceal carry. You have two distinct options: 10mm or anything else.

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TheOak 03-01-2014 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 578970)
Would anyone actually trust something like that?

I am no expert on firearms but no way would i be trusting a chip to have the gun fire.Surely you just want to flick the safety off and be able to fire?


Ill comment on the pistol, and the possible uses of the kit.

First it's a .22 which is useless for the most part. Second, the total kit is $1800 no market for a .22 at that price.

Now.... While I completely agree that I would never trust a weapon with out a manual safety (this and Glock included). This does have some great protective value and I would highly recommend it for anyone that is a firearm novice or not comfortable squeezing the trigger in self defense.

What it does Lee is ensure that if my wife pulls the pistol and for one reason or another her attacker gets the pistol, it can't be used against her.

It also provides a level of safety for idiots that have children but refuse to secure their weapons. No watch... No fire... Would have saved the lives of a lot of children.

Like I said earlier ....$1800? A good .22LR pistol is between $300-500.

"If" there is a good one. .22 ammunition is rimfire, very dirty, unreliable, and QA is inconsistent because it is so cheap. My wife has a .22 pistol but it's only for the range and practicing trigger squeeze, familiarization, etc...

lee909 03-01-2014 06:27 AM

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Thanks for answering.
For people with kids I can get it as you point out. But anyone with a weapon and kids should be teaching there kids about guns early imo.
Obviously we have no experience of firearms over here but I if I had kids and firearms surly you make them familiar with them early so they don't want to be trying to get them when you are out.

TheOak 03-01-2014 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 580123)
Thanks for answering.
For people with kids I can get it as you point out. But anyone with a weapon and kids should be teaching there kids about guns early imo.
Obviously we have no experience of firearms over here but I if I had kids and firearms surly you make them familiar with them early so they don't want to be trying to get them when you are out.


My girls are 8-5, and don't try to touch them when they see me with them. Soon I'll start educating them with a BB gun, but they have no business around my firearms yet.

That said it's "nearly" impossible for anyone other than my wife or I to get to mine with out a tow truck and a blow torch..... after they get past me.

Kids..... They will always be kids and are prone to bouts of thoughtless curiosity regardless of what you teach them. I am, by nature, an overly cautious person. My girls hand me the napkin roll at a restaurant to remove the knife. My knife block stays on top of my refrigerator to keep accidents from happening.

SmashMouth 03-04-2014 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 580119)
My wife has a .22 pistol but it's only for the range and practicing trigger squeeze, familiarization, etc...

TMI ...;)

SmashMouth 03-08-2014 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 580119)
Ill comment on the pistol, and the possible uses of the kit.

First it's a .22 which is useless for the most part. Second, the total kit is $1800 no market for a .22 at that price.

Now.... While I completely agree that I would never trust a weapon with out a manual safety (this and Glock included). This does have some great protective value and I would highly recommend it for anyone that is a firearm novice or not comfortable squeezing the trigger in self defense.

What it does Lee is ensure that if my wife pulls the pistol and for one reason or another her attacker gets the pistol, it can't be used against her.

It also provides a level of safety for idiots that have children but refuse to secure their weapons. No watch... No fire... Would have saved the lives of a lot of children.

Like I said earlier ....$1800? A good .22LR pistol is between $300-500.

"If" there is a good one. .22 ammunition is rimfire, very dirty, unreliable, and QA is inconsistent because it is so cheap. My wife has a .22 pistol but it's only for the range and practicing trigger squeeze, familiarization, etc...


Guess who is backing off?

California firearms shop backs away from 'smart gun' after backlash | Fox News

TheOak 03-08-2014 12:06 PM

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See this part?
"Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., unveiled a gun control bill last month requiring all new guns be "personalized" with special features, such as fingerprint-reading technology, so they can only be fired by their owners or other authorized users."

I'm cool with that. But I am the ONLY person with access to that info and those features. There will be no database with my prints (well no more than there already are TWIC, FBI, ARMY) and if I sell it the new owner can reprogram it to his prints.

Hell if it were reliable, everything would stay cocked and locked for self defense out in the open.

Gun owners have no issues with true safety. Magazine size, color, nearly all of California's laws.... Do not make a safer weapon or gun owner, they make owning guns by law abiding citizens cumbersome, while doing nothing to address criminals other than supplying Mexican drug cartels so they can trace where guns go.

TheOak 03-09-2014 07:20 AM

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