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Danno · 07-20-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by jcp026

Hey, guys! Remember this post? Comment on this post. Critiques and any ideas of your own.

I think your entire notion of Goverment actually helping by doing more is flawed.

The only thing Government is good at is getting in the way of progress.

The less they interfere the better.

Wages will rise when workers deserve it and businesses can afford it.

Health insurance isn't a right. Provide an atmosphere of competition and it will become affordable. Goverment interference drives costs up.

Trickle down does indeed work. Government interference (over-taxation, over-regulation, unfunded mandates etc) leads to lower wages, more layoffs and outsourcing jobs.

The fair tax or some form of flat tax is the way to go. The main problem as I see it is there are too many people not paying their fair share. And those are the ones who want to raise taxes on the successful, who ARE paying more than their fair share. EVERYONE should pay taxes. If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Just an opinion

I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive - Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. - Thomas Jefferson

jcp026 · 07-20-2012, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think your entire notion of Goverment actually helping by doing more is flawed.

The only thing Government is good at is getting in the way of progress.

The less they interfere the better.

Wages will rise when workers deserve it and businesses can afford it.

Health insurance isn't a right. Provide an atmosphere of competition and it will become affordable. Goverment interference drives costs up.

Trickle down does indeed work. Government interference (over-taxation, over-regulation, unfunded mandates etc) leads to lower wages, more layoffs and outsourcing jobs.

The fair tax or some form of flat tax is the way to go. The main problem as I see it is there are too many people not paying their fair share. And those are the ones who want to raise taxes on the successful, who ARE paying more than their fair share. EVERYONE should pay taxes. If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Just an opinion

I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive - Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. - Thomas Jefferson

Trickle-down works based on what? As long as American workers are competing with workers in low wage countries then wages will NOT rise. Are you kidding? Do we want to be China now? I don't get it. Companies move to countries with far less than a "living wage," and countries that they can pollute freely.

A book I read not too long ago, can't remember which one, talks about externalities. Those are costs that businesses inflict on someone else that they don't pay for. They give an example of a small business that is receiving an award at a ceremony in front of the store, but in the back there is a hill that slopes down to a stream and you can see that they're just dumping all of their waste products into the stream. If they'd been paying for the cost of disposing of their waste properly, then they might not even be profitable. Should they still receive this award? Should the government and law enforcement step in to shut this down?
A public option DOES NOT imply that health insurance is a right and it wouldn't necessarily add to the debt. Those tax cuts I mention for the are temporary to help the economy, everyone in my DOES pay taxes and all of the loopholes are gone.

I'm not saying that more government is necessarily better. I'm not saying that less government is better. I'm saying that better government is better.
A government that is responsible to the people instead of "monied interests."

SmashMouth · 07-21-2012, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think your entire notion of Goverment actually helping by doing more is flawed.

The only thing Government is good at is getting in the way of progress.

The less they interfere the better.

Wages will rise when workers deserve it and businesses can afford it.

Health insurance isn't a right. Provide an atmosphere of competition and it will become affordable. Goverment interference drives costs up.

Trickle down does indeed work. Government interference (over-taxation, over-regulation, unfunded mandates etc) leads to lower wages, more layoffs and outsourcing jobs.

The fair tax or some form of flat tax is the way to go. The main problem as I see it is there are too many people not paying their fair share. And those are the ones who want to raise taxes on the successful, who ARE paying more than their fair share. EVERYONE should pay taxes. If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Just an opinion

I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive - Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. - Thomas Jefferson

Post of the thread! So the question then becomes when will enough of the populace realize this and vote accordingly?

jcp026 · 07-21-2012, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Post of the thread! So the question then becomes when will enough of the populace realize this and vote accordingly?

It's sad that you think that.

saintfan · 07-22-2012, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by jcp026

It's sad that you think that.

I don't think it's sad at all actually. Yeah, the tax code needs work, but this country was not founded on "big" government. In fact this country was founded on anti-big government. The socialists do NOT have it better. Ask them. Don't ask the Socialism wanna be Californians. Ask the people living it.

Now, my friend from Russia thinks Communism beats Capitalism hands down. His perception is the Russia he grew up in was one where a government stayed out of the way but made sure everyone had what they needed.

Of course he is here. Not there. And this escapes him completely.

No, big government is not the answer. Getting back to the Constitution is the answer, and that means a lot of people in Washington will have to cease business as usual, which is the business of making the under class more and more reliant on government (them).

The only way we're going to legislate our way out of the mess we're in in to legislate big government back to the stone ages. Can that happen? I'm not so sure. As I've already said, I don't know that I have enough faith in American's anymore, but it will happen or sure as the fall of Rome the America my kids grow up in will be a mere shell of what the founders had in their vision. Hell. It already is...

07-20-2012, 10:21 AM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,750	Originally Posted by jcp026 Hey, guys! Remember this post? Comment on this post. Critiques and any ideas of your own. I think your entire notion of Goverment actually helping by doing more is flawed. The only thing Government is good at is getting in the way of progress. The less they interfere the better. Wages will rise when workers deserve it and businesses can afford it. Health insurance isn't a right. Provide an atmosphere of competition and it will become affordable. Goverment interference drives costs up. Trickle down does indeed work. Government interference (over-taxation, over-regulation, unfunded mandates etc) leads to lower wages, more layoffs and outsourcing jobs. The fair tax or some form of flat tax is the way to go. The main problem as I see it is there are too many people not paying their fair share. And those are the ones who want to raise taxes on the successful, who ARE paying more than their fair share. EVERYONE should pay taxes. If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Just an opinion I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive - Thomas Jefferson I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. - Thomas Jefferson SapperSaint, SmashMouth and Srgt. Hulka like this.

07-20-2012, 06:20 PM	#2
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 953	Originally Posted by Danno I think your entire notion of Goverment actually helping by doing more is flawed. The only thing Government is good at is getting in the way of progress. The less they interfere the better. Wages will rise when workers deserve it and businesses can afford it. Health insurance isn't a right. Provide an atmosphere of competition and it will become affordable. Goverment interference drives costs up. Trickle down does indeed work. Government interference (over-taxation, over-regulation, unfunded mandates etc) leads to lower wages, more layoffs and outsourcing jobs. The fair tax or some form of flat tax is the way to go. The main problem as I see it is there are too many people not paying their fair share. And those are the ones who want to raise taxes on the successful, who ARE paying more than their fair share. EVERYONE should pay taxes. If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Just an opinion I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive - Thomas Jefferson I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. - Thomas Jefferson Trickle-down works based on what? As long as American workers are competing with workers in low wage countries then wages will NOT rise. Are you kidding? Do we want to be China now? I don't get it. Companies move to countries with far less than a "living wage," and countries that they can pollute freely. A book I read not too long ago, can't remember which one, talks about externalities. Those are costs that businesses inflict on someone else that they don't pay for. They give an example of a small business that is receiving an award at a ceremony in front of the store, but in the back there is a hill that slopes down to a stream and you can see that they're just dumping all of their waste products into the stream. If they'd been paying for the cost of disposing of their waste properly, then they might not even be profitable. Should they still receive this award? Should the government and law enforcement step in to shut this down? A public option DOES NOT imply that health insurance is a right and it wouldn't necessarily add to the debt. Those tax cuts I mention for the are temporary to help the economy, everyone in my DOES pay taxes and all of the loopholes are gone. I'm not saying that more government is necessarily better. I'm not saying that less government is better. I'm saying that better government is better. A government that is responsible to the people instead of "monied interests."
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 953

07-21-2012, 12:11 PM	#3
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,514 Blog Entries: 29	Originally Posted by Danno I think your entire notion of Goverment actually helping by doing more is flawed. The only thing Government is good at is getting in the way of progress. The less they interfere the better. Wages will rise when workers deserve it and businesses can afford it. Health insurance isn't a right. Provide an atmosphere of competition and it will become affordable. Goverment interference drives costs up. Trickle down does indeed work. Government interference (over-taxation, over-regulation, unfunded mandates etc) leads to lower wages, more layoffs and outsourcing jobs. The fair tax or some form of flat tax is the way to go. The main problem as I see it is there are too many people not paying their fair share. And those are the ones who want to raise taxes on the successful, who ARE paying more than their fair share. EVERYONE should pay taxes. If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Just an opinion I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive - Thomas Jefferson I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. - Thomas Jefferson Post of the thread! So the question then becomes when will enough of the populace realize this and vote accordingly?

07-21-2012, 07:03 PM	#4
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 953	Originally Posted by SmashMouth Post of the thread! So the question then becomes when will enough of the populace realize this and vote accordingly? It's sad that you think that.
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 953

07-22-2012, 12:30 AM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by jcp026 It's sad that you think that. I don't think it's sad at all actually. Yeah, the tax code needs work, but this country was not founded on "big" government. In fact this country was founded on anti-big government. The socialists do NOT have it better. Ask them. Don't ask the Socialism wanna be Californians. Ask the people living it. Now, my friend from Russia thinks Communism beats Capitalism hands down. His perception is the Russia he grew up in was one where a government stayed out of the way but made sure everyone had what they needed. Of course he is here. Not there. And this escapes him completely. No, big government is not the answer. Getting back to the Constitution is the answer, and that means a lot of people in Washington will have to cease business as usual, which is the business of making the under class more and more reliant on government (them). The only way we're going to legislate our way out of the mess we're in in to legislate big government back to the stone ages. Can that happen? I'm not so sure. As I've already said, I don't know that I have enough faith in American's anymore, but it will happen or sure as the fall of Rome the America my kids grow up in will be a mere shell of what the founders had in their vision. Hell. It already is... SapperSaint and Srgt. Hulka like this.
	C'mon Man...

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