Birthers

jcp026 · 07-22-2012, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I know who Bruce Bartlett is. There is another key member of the Reagan Administration who now preaches hard against the policies of the time. As Bill Cosby once said, "He's just an old my trying to get into heaven now." He bailed on the administration to work for a college. I'm not going to mention his name because I don't want to promote the man. We can all look back from 30 years up the road and look brilliant when we speak of past policies. That's what they say about hindsight.

Don't you find it odd that these men are for what's hip and hot right now? You're intelligent and thoughtful. I can see that.

The whole economic debate comes down to which side of the fence you're arguing from. If you're a small player in the gas industry, for example, you want less government. You want less regulations. You want less interference in general. I know this first hand.

If you're the part of the democrat base you want more. That's just true. That party markets itself to the poor by telling them what they want to hear, and they buy it hook, line, and sinker. That's why all those people who'd never pulled a lever in their lives came out from under the woodwork to Vote for Obama. They didn't know what you and I know. Obama, as a candidate, didn't reinvent the wheel. He just marketed to ignorant people who didn't know any better. Half of them have turned on him because he didn't give them the free ride he promised. Sadly that isn't enough and he will likely get reelected.

Government invades our lives in ways it was never supposed to. I'm NOT saying the government shouldn't regulate and create laws and so on. Of course it should, but by agreeing with Danno's post my point is the ONLY plan that will work is a plan that gets government back to where it was intended, because that's what made American great once, and it can never be great again unless and until the business of politics is changed.

Economists can and will argue over what's right. That's what they do. None of it is accurate, because it's all based on somebody's agenda. You don't find the Economists educated at Berkeley disagreeing with one another though. Go figure. I am a disciple for none of them.

You're looking for specific answers to specific problems. I'm telling you that I'm looking at the bigger picture.

Not too much I can disagree with here. But, I think, the great thing about hindsight is that it is 20/20 and we can evaluate and re-evaluate what worked and what didn't. The economists that I've read, seemingly regardless of the side they come down on, don't come down very far apart. I think...no, I know that most people listen to politicians and pundits (who don't even hide their agendas, they're flaunted) when we want to learn about how the economy works and that's a huge mistake.

My argument IS for less government spending and IS for less government intrusion in our personal lives, but, I think, when people see that the plan DOES require government to do something, they tune out or slap the big government tag on it. It's disappointing.

I guess the thing I'm most disappointed about, is that Gov. Buddy Roemer was completely shut out of the Republican debates despite polling as well as some of the candidates that made the cut. His main focus is Lessig-style campaign finance reform. A Republican I could vote for, despite many disagreements, and someone, I think, we could have been proud of.

Lawrence Lessig, who I mention frequently, wrote "Republic, Lost: How Money Corrupts Congress and a Plan to Stop It." It's incredible (incredible meaning it's awesome and not meaning it lacks credibility)! If Lawrence Lessig were to run for president in 2016, which is less than likely, it would prove the existence of a higher power. I don't trust most politicians, and he isn't a politician, but I'd trust him completely. If it turned out that he disagreed with me on something, I guess I'd just have to assume I was wrong. He's like a balding half-human half-angel hybrid with glasses.

Thanks for the response.

07-22-2012, 01:12 PM	#30
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 953	Originally Posted by saintfan I know who Bruce Bartlett is. There is another key member of the Reagan Administration who now preaches hard against the policies of the time. As Bill Cosby once said, "He's just an old my trying to get into heaven now." He bailed on the administration to work for a college. I'm not going to mention his name because I don't want to promote the man. We can all look back from 30 years up the road and look brilliant when we speak of past policies. That's what they say about hindsight. Don't you find it odd that these men are for what's hip and hot right now? You're intelligent and thoughtful. I can see that. The whole economic debate comes down to which side of the fence you're arguing from. If you're a small player in the gas industry, for example, you want less government. You want less regulations. You want less interference in general. I know this first hand. If you're the part of the democrat base you want more. That's just true. That party markets itself to the poor by telling them what they want to hear, and they buy it hook, line, and sinker. That's why all those people who'd never pulled a lever in their lives came out from under the woodwork to Vote for Obama. They didn't know what you and I know. Obama, as a candidate, didn't reinvent the wheel. He just marketed to ignorant people who didn't know any better. Half of them have turned on him because he didn't give them the free ride he promised. Sadly that isn't enough and he will likely get reelected. Government invades our lives in ways it was never supposed to. I'm NOT saying the government shouldn't regulate and create laws and so on. Of course it should, but by agreeing with Danno's post my point is the ONLY plan that will work is a plan that gets government back to where it was intended, because that's what made American great once, and it can never be great again unless and until the business of politics is changed. Economists can and will argue over what's right. That's what they do. None of it is accurate, because it's all based on somebody's agenda. You don't find the Economists educated at Berkeley disagreeing with one another though. Go figure. I am a disciple for none of them. You're looking for specific answers to specific problems. I'm telling you that I'm looking at the bigger picture. Not too much I can disagree with here. But, I think, the great thing about hindsight is that it is 20/20 and we can evaluate and re-evaluate what worked and what didn't. The economists that I've read, seemingly regardless of the side they come down on, don't come down very far apart. I think...no, I know that most people listen to politicians and pundits (who don't even hide their agendas, they're flaunted) when we want to learn about how the economy works and that's a huge mistake. My argument IS for less government spending and IS for less government intrusion in our personal lives, but, I think, when people see that the plan DOES require government to do something, they tune out or slap the big government tag on it. It's disappointing. I guess the thing I'm most disappointed about, is that Gov. Buddy Roemer was completely shut out of the Republican debates despite polling as well as some of the candidates that made the cut. His main focus is Lessig-style campaign finance reform. A Republican I could vote for, despite many disagreements, and someone, I think, we could have been proud of. Lawrence Lessig, who I mention frequently, wrote "Republic, Lost: How Money Corrupts Congress and a Plan to Stop It." It's incredible (incredible meaning it's awesome and not meaning it lacks credibility)! If Lawrence Lessig were to run for president in 2016, which is less than likely, it would prove the existence of a higher power. I don't trust most politicians, and he isn't a politician, but I'd trust him completely. If it turned out that he disagreed with me on something, I guess I'd just have to assume I was wrong. He's like a balding half-human half-angel hybrid with glasses. Thanks for the response. saintfan likes this.
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