Birthers

saintfan · 07-22-2012, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by jcp026

Not too much I can disagree with here. But, I think, the great thing about hindsight is that it is 20/20 and we can evaluate and re-evaluate what worked and what didn't. The economists that I've read, seemingly regardless of the side they come down on, don't come down very far apart. I think...no, I know that most people listen to politicians and pundits (who don't even hide their agendas, they're flaunted) when we want to learn about how the economy works and that's a huge mistake.

My argument IS for less government spending and IS for less government intrusion in our personal lives, but, I think, when people see that the plan DOES require government to do something, they tune out or slap the big government tag on it. It's disappointing.

I guess the thing I'm most disappointed about, is that Gov. Buddy Roemer was completely shut out of the Republican debates despite polling as well as some of the candidates that made the cut. His main focus is Lessig-style campaign finance reform. A Republican I could vote for, despite many disagreements, and someone, I think, we could have been proud of.

Lawrence Lessig, who I mention frequently, wrote "Republic, Lost: How Money Corrupts Congress and a Plan to Stop It." It's incredible (incredible meaning it's awesome and not meaning it lacks credibility)! If Lawrence Lessig were to run for president in 2016, which is less than likely, it would prove the existence of a higher power. I don't trust most politicians, and he isn't a politician, but I'd trust him completely. If it turned out that he disagreed with me on something, I guess I'd just have to assume I was wrong. He's like a balding half-human half-angel hybrid with glasses.

Thanks for the response.

The truth is that Danno and I are cut, essentially, from the same mold on these topics. He and I are both Conservative. He and I both loved Reagan.

I loved Reagan not because he was conservative. Not because he was an actor. Not because my grandpa (a card carrying Dem by the way) met with him in New Orleans while he was Governor of California. It is because, in my humble opinion, he was a true leader of men. In my opinion he was the last true leader of men to live in the white house, and maybe before him you have to get all the way back to Kennedy.

Let me say this about trickle down: I'm not smart enough nor am I well read enough to comment intelligently - I think I was in the 6th grade at the time. What's funny to me is the people who DESIGNED it are now preaching against it. I guess that's a large part of my point.

I have an uber-liberal co-worker/friend. He and I are alike in many ways. We both love music, appreciate art, and have many other similar beliefs. We talk and typically disagree a lot, but it's healthy. I see his point clearly. He is extremely articulate. Sometimes he's wrong. Sometimes he falls too far on the side of PC in the face of common sense. But common sense doesn't always cut it either, in a country as dynamic as ours. The answers are almost never as clear as I might want them to be, and he calls me on that. What's interesting is that he's a black man from Baltimore and I'm a white Conservative from the deep South. Go figure.

Why our politicians can't interact with one another similarly hacks me off. I mean, I know why. I get the reasoning behind why they do what they do. The ONE thing I'd like from my government is to regulate the politicians, because if you do that, 70 percent of your problems go away overnight.

07-22-2012, 09:20 PM	#31
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by jcp026 Not too much I can disagree with here. But, I think, the great thing about hindsight is that it is 20/20 and we can evaluate and re-evaluate what worked and what didn't. The economists that I've read, seemingly regardless of the side they come down on, don't come down very far apart. I think...no, I know that most people listen to politicians and pundits (who don't even hide their agendas, they're flaunted) when we want to learn about how the economy works and that's a huge mistake. My argument IS for less government spending and IS for less government intrusion in our personal lives, but, I think, when people see that the plan DOES require government to do something, they tune out or slap the big government tag on it. It's disappointing. I guess the thing I'm most disappointed about, is that Gov. Buddy Roemer was completely shut out of the Republican debates despite polling as well as some of the candidates that made the cut. His main focus is Lessig-style campaign finance reform. A Republican I could vote for, despite many disagreements, and someone, I think, we could have been proud of. Lawrence Lessig, who I mention frequently, wrote "Republic, Lost: How Money Corrupts Congress and a Plan to Stop It." It's incredible (incredible meaning it's awesome and not meaning it lacks credibility)! If Lawrence Lessig were to run for president in 2016, which is less than likely, it would prove the existence of a higher power. I don't trust most politicians, and he isn't a politician, but I'd trust him completely. If it turned out that he disagreed with me on something, I guess I'd just have to assume I was wrong. He's like a balding half-human half-angel hybrid with glasses. Thanks for the response. The truth is that Danno and I are cut, essentially, from the same mold on these topics. He and I are both Conservative. He and I both loved Reagan. I loved Reagan not because he was conservative. Not because he was an actor. Not because my grandpa (a card carrying Dem by the way) met with him in New Orleans while he was Governor of California. It is because, in my humble opinion, he was a true leader of men. In my opinion he was the last true leader of men to live in the white house, and maybe before him you have to get all the way back to Kennedy. Let me say this about trickle down: I'm not smart enough nor am I well read enough to comment intelligently - I think I was in the 6th grade at the time. What's funny to me is the people who DESIGNED it are now preaching against it. I guess that's a large part of my point. I have an uber-liberal co-worker/friend. He and I are alike in many ways. We both love music, appreciate art, and have many other similar beliefs. We talk and typically disagree a lot, but it's healthy. I see his point clearly. He is extremely articulate. Sometimes he's wrong. Sometimes he falls too far on the side of PC in the face of common sense. But common sense doesn't always cut it either, in a country as dynamic as ours. The answers are almost never as clear as I might want them to be, and he calls me on that. What's interesting is that he's a black man from Baltimore and I'm a white Conservative from the deep South. Go figure. Why our politicians can't interact with one another similarly hacks me off. I mean, I know why. I get the reasoning behind why they do what they do. The ONE thing I'd like from my government is to regulate the politicians, because if you do that, 70 percent of your problems go away overnight.
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