Croyle improving stock at Senior Bowl Week

[wheelman]

It wasn't that he scored the most touchdowns. He was the only legitimate scoring threat on the team. The majority of the points scored by the rest of the team were a result of his play, not despite it. Just ask Florida what they think of him.

[jergensl]

wheelman,
read this very carefully...of course a qb is going to be a scoring threat...a good to great qb makes playmakers/scoring threats out of those around him.

croyle has only had 2 real years as a starter and one of those years was absolutly horrible. this season he had a good season at best. if you look at his performance over the entire season he only had 2 really good games. one of those was against florida, but the other was against utah state.

i hope for his own well being he proves me wrong, but i don't think he will be worth anything more than a6th or 7th round pick.

[jergensl]

i don't see anyone comparing leinart to croyle, but this shows the difference between what you get with a #2 overall pick instead of a #34 pick at qb:
Leinart vs Arkansas 70-17 18-24 381yds 75.0% completions and 4TDs 0INTs

Croyle vs Arkansas 24-13 13-27 173yds 48.1% completions 2TDs 0INTs

now one could say that a difference in supporting cast makes up for the difference in the numbers, which might be true, but look at the completion percentage. there is also the possibility that Leinart just makes his teammates look that much better.

[papz]

Croyle is going to be a career backup... I see coaching for him in the distant future. Prove me wrong Brodie...

[gandhi1007]

I can say this. Prothro is one heck of a receiver, but didn't get the stats he could have (not counting this year's injured season), because Croyle just couldn't get the ball to him. He did help Croyle out alot with all those circus catches he made on poorly thrown balls.

Croyle is average backup material at best.

[wheelman]

wheelman,
read this very carefully...of course a qb is going to be a scoring threat...a good to great qb makes playmakers/scoring threats out of those around him.

First of all, you really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I didn't say he was just A scoring threat. I said he was their ONLY scoring threat. Granted, Tyrone Prothro was a legitimate scoring threat also, but he missed more than half the season.

croyle has only had 2 real years as a starter and one of those years was absolutly horrible.

You're using that as an argument against him, but when you talked about Tom Brady in your stat thread you failed to see (in your own posts mind you) that the two have similar stats. They both only started for two seasons, and each played badly in his first year as a starter. In fact, you praised Brady for his play.

Brady*In his first year Brady completed 214 of 350 passes (61.1%) for 2,636 yards and 15 touchdowns, setting a school record for the most attempts and completions in a season.

That's great. Just wonderfull. Although you failed to mention that he threw 12 interceptions. That's almost a dead even td-int ratio. Croyle's numbers were 16 tds and 13 ints. That is the same ratio.

Now let's compare their senior years. Croyle threw 14 tds and 4 ints. That's about a 3.5 - 1 ratio. Brady threw 20 tds and 6 ints. He actually had a slightly worse ratio.

Then there is Croyle's wild card. Croyle's first year as a starter was the 2003-04 season. He missed most of the following year because of an injury. However, according to your post from the stat thread, he still managed to throw 6 tds and 0 ints in 2004. A 6 - 0 ratio.

Let's go even further than this. Look at Carson Palmer's career stats at USC. In Palmer's freshman year, he threw 7 tds and 6 ints. He missed most of his true sophomore year, throwing 3 tds and 3 ints, and was granted a redshirt. In his redshirt sophomore year, Palmer threw 16 tds and 18 ints. He threw 13 tds and 12 ints his junior year. He finally broke out in his senior year throwing 33 tds and 10 ints.
http://usctrojans.collegesports.com/..._carson00.html

I know Brodie didn't have as many tds, but that's not the point of showing Palmer's stats. I also don't think he is as good as Leinart, Young, or Cutler. The point I have been trying to make this entire time is that you can't judge a college quarterback strictly by his stats, which is exactly what you are doing. For cryin' out loud, even Mel Kiper Jr. (the biggest stat whore in sports media) has him possibly going in the second round.

Now, if you will excuse me, I'm done with this argument. It's gotten annoying. 8)

[jergensl]

wheelman,
if he is their ONLY scoring threat there is something wrong with him. a good-great QB makes those players around him scoring threats.

i NEVER said you can judge a QB only on stats.

when looking at INT ratios you can't just look at TDs...you have to look at how many INTs per attempts. another important thing to look at is their CAREER completion percentage. Brady's was much better than Croyles.

time will show that i am correct and you are a SEC homer.

[GoldenTomb]

LOL I just want to know why there is a 2 page topic on Brodie Croyle. The Saints won't have to think about picking him as he's a 3rd-4th rounder at best.


Also I don't think anyone here is arguing that he's near the caliber of a Leinart, Young, or Cutler. however I think because he played in the SEC, he should be cut a little bit of slack, no?

[jrmllb]

Cryle has the talent to play in the NFL...His downfall will be his body...injury prone

[wheelman]

LOL I just want to know why there is a 2 page topic on Brodie Croyle. The Saints won't have to think about picking him as he's a 3rd-4th rounder at best.

Don't be surprised if the Saints draft a second quarterback late on day two. I've seen teams do it before.