Question concerning penalties that do not affect a play

TheOak · 01-18-2010, 02:25 PM

I need someone to explain to me how a penalty that does not affect a play what so ever causes the reverse of an interception.

Example: Warner gets dust brushed off of his helmet after throwing an interception. The roughing the passer penalty happened after he released the ball. How in all that is holy can this result in a reversal of the interception? Yes penalize us yards but to ignore the result of the play???

Even on a kick off or punt the yards are accessed after the play. But the play is not "done over".

Even if Warner was blown up by a land mine he still threw an interception that was not caused by any illegal activity.

G504 · 01-18-2010, 03:35 PM

I think (not sure) the rule is possession switches once the ball is punted or kicked. So they can just tact on negative yardage for the offense, but on a turnover, the possession doesn't switch until the defense gains control of the ball. So a roughing the passer that happens after the throw but before the pick, still technically happened during the offenses possession.
I think extra points are special. Remember back in the day, a team could take the yardage on the PAT and go for 2 instead. Now, made extra points don't come off the board.

UK_WhoDat · 01-18-2010, 09:48 PM

Per G504.

I guess the officials determined:
The "roughing the passer" penalty happened after he released the ball but before the ball was intercepted.

TheOak · 01-19-2010, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

Per G504.

I guess the officials determined:
The "roughing the passer" penalty happened after he released the ball but before the ball was intercepted.

That is one hell of a quick set of eyes. The ball is in the air for what 3/4 of a second 30 yards away?

Halo · 01-19-2010, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

That is one hell of a quick set of eyes. The ball is in the air for what 3/4 of a second 30 yards away?

I know, it's confusing. I really need to study up on this. I understand your point x626xBlack

UK_WhoDat · 01-19-2010, 11:30 AM

OK I may be sooooooo wrong. Here we go......

A defender continues an effort to tackle or "hit" a passer after the passer has already thrown a pass. (In the NFL, a defender is allowed to take one step after the ball is thrown; a defender is penalized if he hits the passer having taken two or more steps after the ball leaves the passer's hand.)

# No defensive player may run into a passer of a legal forward pass after the ball has left his hand (15 yards). The Referee must determine whether opponent had a reasonable chance to stop his momentum during an attempt to block the pass or tackle the passer while he still had the ball.
# No defensive player who has an unrestricted path to the quarterback may hit him flagrantly in the area of the knee(s) or below when approaching in any direction.
# Officials are to blow the play dead as soon as the quarterback is clearly in the grasp and control of any tackler, and his safety is in jeopardy.

So

HELP!

Another take. I think (not sure) that running into kicker applies regardless of where the ball is or who then has possession. I think the play comes back together with a game changing penalty. So maybe ... STILL HELP!

TheOak · 01-19-2010, 02:24 PM

ROFLMAO.... Breesus help us!

01-18-2010, 02:25 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Question concerning penalties that do not affect a play I need someone to explain to me how a penalty that does not affect a play what so ever causes the reverse of an interception. Example: Warner gets dust brushed off of his helmet after throwing an interception. The roughing the passer penalty happened after he released the ball. How in all that is holy can this result in a reversal of the interception? Yes penalize us yards but to ignore the result of the play??? Even on a kick off or punt the yards are accessed after the play. But the play is not "done over". Even if Warner was blown up by a land mine he still threw an interception that was not caused by any illegal activity.
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01-18-2010, 03:35 PM	#2
G504 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 424	Re: Question concerning penalties that do not affect a play I think (not sure) the rule is possession switches once the ball is punted or kicked. So they can just tact on negative yardage for the offense, but on a turnover, the possession doesn't switch until the defense gains control of the ball. So a roughing the passer that happens after the throw but before the pick, still technically happened during the offenses possession. I think extra points are special. Remember back in the day, a team could take the yardage on the PAT and go for 2 instead. Now, made extra points don't come off the board.
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01-18-2010, 09:48 PM	#3
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: Question concerning penalties that do not affect a play Per G504. I guess the officials determined: The "roughing the passer" penalty happened after he released the ball but before the ball was intercepted.

01-19-2010, 09:05 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Question concerning penalties that do not affect a play Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat Per G504. I guess the officials determined: The "roughing the passer" penalty happened after he released the ball but before the ball was intercepted. That is one hell of a quick set of eyes. The ball is in the air for what 3/4 of a second 30 yards away?

01-19-2010, 10:32 AM	#5
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,603 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Question concerning penalties that do not affect a play Originally Posted by x626xBlack That is one hell of a quick set of eyes. The ball is in the air for what 3/4 of a second 30 yards away? I know, it's confusing. I really need to study up on this. I understand your point x626xBlack

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01-19-2010, 11:30 AM	#6
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: Question concerning penalties that do not affect a play OK I may be sooooooo wrong. Here we go...... A defender continues an effort to tackle or "hit" a passer after the passer has already thrown a pass. (In the NFL, a defender is allowed to take one step after the ball is thrown; a defender is penalized if he hits the passer having taken two or more steps after the ball leaves the passer's hand.) # No defensive player may run into a passer of a legal forward pass after the ball has left his hand (15 yards). The Referee must determine whether opponent had a reasonable chance to stop his momentum during an attempt to block the pass or tackle the passer while he still had the ball. # No defensive player who has an unrestricted path to the quarterback may hit him flagrantly in the area of the knee(s) or below when approaching in any direction. # Officials are to blow the play dead as soon as the quarterback is clearly in the grasp and control of any tackler, and his safety is in jeopardy. So HELP! Another take. I think (not sure) that running into kicker applies regardless of where the ball is or who then has possession. I think the play comes back together with a game changing penalty. So maybe ... STILL HELP!
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01-19-2010, 02:24 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Question concerning penalties that do not affect a play ROFLMAO.... Breesus help us!