Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick

SAINT_MICHAEL · 04-13-2010, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

now criminals who are serving life sentences can get out early.....the death penalty is being harrassed.....and even laws are being bent to persuade a judge/jury that a person is guilty until proven innocent

What are you trying to say with this statement? It seems to contradict itself. The first two points indicate laws are getting less stringent by eliminating the DP and reducing sentences. Yet the third statement would mean they are getting tougher by "persuading" juries to prosecute innocent people. What is your point and what does it have to do with this?

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the fact is that there are very few instances where the guilty man walks free and the overwhelming majority of cases are correct because our judicial system is set up so perfectly

First of all you have no idea the factuality of this statement. Go to your local jail and ask how many inmates in there are innocent. I bet it's a pretty high number. If 5 percent of them are telling the truth, then it can add up to a lot of people. I'm not saying any system is better than ours, but to say definitely that someone did or did not commit a crime even based on the outcome of a jury trial (or even worse a judge trial) is blind. Our own system realized this when they put in the appeal process. It allows for the chance to review a verdict because so very often it is wrong.

Second of all we aren't talking about a situation where a person was found Not Guilty. No trial was had due to a lack of evidence. So it is his word against hers. Not enough for a prosecuting DA to waste his/her resources on. This is very similar to the thousands of robberies, muggings, car thefts, and yes rapes that happen every day in this county and go unsolved or unreported. Unsolved crimes happen all the time in our perfectly set up judicial system. I guess you are fortunate enough to never have been a victim of a crime and experienced this first hand. But I would bet there are far more crimes committed in this country that go unpunished than cases where the legal system gets it right from arrest to prosecution to sentencing.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

as this applies to this case......it doesnt matter what ben did or if he did anything because there wasnt any proof....so the blame falls back on the women who alleged the crime

Blame falls back on the woman? What blame?

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

even if ben made unwanted advances....he is innocent of the crime of rape

Of course he is, because the legal system always gets it right and the bad guys always get what's coming to them

I'm not saying that he did assault the girl because I wasn't there. But I'm guessing you weren't either. So you saying he positively did not assault her because the DA decided that there wasn't enough to charge him on is a total guess on your part even if you don't want to admit it. Tell me this, if nothing happened as you claim, then why didn't the police file charges against her for filing a false police report?

04-13-2010, 06:44 PM	#11
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth-round draft pick Originally Posted by CantonLegend now criminals who are serving life sentences can get out early.....the death penalty is being harrassed.....and even laws are being bent to persuade a judge/jury that a person is guilty until proven innocent What are you trying to say with this statement? It seems to contradict itself. The first two points indicate laws are getting less stringent by eliminating the DP and reducing sentences. Yet the third statement would mean they are getting tougher by "persuading" juries to prosecute innocent people. What is your point and what does it have to do with this? Originally Posted by CantonLegend the fact is that there are very few instances where the guilty man walks free and the overwhelming majority of cases are correct because our judicial system is set up so perfectly First of all you have no idea the factuality of this statement. Go to your local jail and ask how many inmates in there are innocent. I bet it's a pretty high number. If 5 percent of them are telling the truth, then it can add up to a lot of people. I'm not saying any system is better than ours, but to say definitely that someone did or did not commit a crime even based on the outcome of a jury trial (or even worse a judge trial) is blind. Our own system realized this when they put in the appeal process. It allows for the chance to review a verdict because so very often it is wrong. Second of all we aren't talking about a situation where a person was found Not Guilty. No trial was had due to a lack of evidence. So it is his word against hers. Not enough for a prosecuting DA to waste his/her resources on. This is very similar to the thousands of robberies, muggings, car thefts, and yes rapes that happen every day in this county and go unsolved or unreported. Unsolved crimes happen all the time in our perfectly set up judicial system. I guess you are fortunate enough to never have been a victim of a crime and experienced this first hand. But I would bet there are far more crimes committed in this country that go unpunished than cases where the legal system gets it right from arrest to prosecution to sentencing. Originally Posted by CantonLegend as this applies to this case......it doesnt matter what ben did or if he did anything because there wasnt any proof....so the blame falls back on the women who alleged the crime Blame falls back on the woman? What blame? Originally Posted by CantonLegend even if ben made unwanted advances....he is innocent of the crime of rape Of course he is, because the legal system always gets it right and the bad guys always get what's coming to them I'm not saying that he did assault the girl because I wasn't there. But I'm guessing you weren't either. So you saying he positively did not assault her because the DA decided that there wasn't enough to charge him on is a total guess on your part even if you don't want to admit it. Tell me this, if nothing happened as you claim, then why didn't the police file charges against her for filing a false police report?
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