NFL sides with Buccaneers on kneel-down controversy

WhoDat!656 · 09-18-2012, 06:25 PM

If there were a decent amount of time left then I could see trying something like this.

But there were FIVE SECONDS left. If the Bucs managed to cause a fumble and recover it, the time would have expired.

ChrisXVI · 09-18-2012, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

If there were a decent amount of time left then I could see trying something like this.

But there were FIVE SECONDS left. If the Bucs managed to cause a fumble and recover it, the time would have expired.

Agreed. If there was 1:30 left on the clock then I would have understood. When there's 5 seconds though... Come on.

SloMotion · 09-18-2012, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Agreed. If there was 1:30 left on the clock then I would have understood. When there's 5 seconds though... Come on.

... but with 1:30 left on the clock, NYG wouldn't have been 'kneeling' either. This is kinda' like 'Handshake-gate' last year between the Lions/49ers ... WTF?!?!? ... I'm gonna' refer to it from here on out as 'Kneeling-gate',

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My understanding of the whole 'kneeling-to-end-a-game' thing is that it's a sportsmanly way of ending a game where there is no possible way for your opponent to come back and win. You've kicked their ass and don't want to inflict further embarrassment upon your opponent. It does kinda' suck to be on the opposite side of the 'kneel' because you do get the feeling that you are being slightly dissed in that the kneeling team doesn't even have the respect for you to run one more play ...

... but therein lies the rub ... it was only a 7pt game. Technically, TB could have caused a fumble, recovered and ran it in for a TD ... stranger things have happened in an NFL game, eh?

New York thought the game was over, Tampa Bay didn't ... I really can't fault the Buccaneers for doing what they did. It may have been bad manners, but if there is even the slightest chance at winning a game, don't we expect our teams to take it?

And if I'm a NYG offensive lineman, don't I look across the line of scrimmage and see that Tampa Bay is coming? IDK, I think they should have just brawled after the game if they all had that much energy left over,

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burningmetal · 09-18-2012, 08:55 PM

"If there were a decent amount of time left then I could see trying something like this.

But there were FIVE SECONDS left. If the Bucs managed to cause a fumble and recover it, the time would have expired."

The clock stops on a turnover. 5 seconds is enough time to fall on the football. But you're missing another possibility. Suppose they fumble the exchange and it's rolling free, and the Bucs pick it up and run for a touchdown. You still honestly believe they should just quit? You guys are arguing against probability, but maybe you should talk to the 2002 Kentucky Wildcats who lost to LSU on a 74 yard touchdown pass with 2 seconds on the clock. You never know what might happen, and if the Bucs somehow come up with the ball, they at least get the chance at a miracle.

WhoDat!656 · 09-18-2012, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

"If there were a decent amount of time left then I could see trying something like this.

But there were FIVE SECONDS left. If the Bucs managed to cause a fumble and recover it, the time would have expired."

The clock stops on a turnover. 5 seconds is enough time to fall on the football. But you're missing another possibility. Suppose they fumble the exchange and it's rolling free, and the Bucs pick it up and run for a touchdown. You still honestly believe they should just quit? You guys are arguing against probability, but maybe you should talk to the 2002 Kentucky Wildcats who lost to LSU on a 74 yard touchdown pass with 2 seconds on the clock. You never know what might happen, and if the Bucs somehow come up with the ball, they at least get the chance at a miracle.

If the Bucs WERE able to cause a fumble with the 5 seconds left, by the time the ball was recovered, AND the officials got it sorted out which team had recovered it, the time would have expired.

burningmetal · 09-19-2012, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

If the Bucs WERE able to cause a fumble with the 5 seconds left, by the time the ball was recovered, AND the officials got it sorted out which team had recovered it, the time would have expired.

The clock doesn't keep running while they sort it out. Not on a fumble. On a normal running play the clock would keep running, but when the ball comes out and there is a pile, the clock stops. Now, if the ball is rolling around for a while before they jump on it, then I agree the clock would run out. I'm talking about a guy shooting the gap and the ball is laying right in front of the QB, and the defender immediately falls on it. Is that likely? No. Is it possible? Technically yes.

But you ignored the most important point I was trying to get across. You're assuming there would be a pile up, but what if the ball rolls free and a Bucs player picks it up and runs with it for a touchdown? Again, not likely, but neither is any other desperation play, and we've all seen plenty of instances where football's version of a miracle has happened.

And it's especially hypocritical for any of us to talk about a hard play as being dirty when we've been defending the Saints for months on making big LEGAL hits. I still stand by the Saints and I still have no problem with the Bucs play.

WhoDat!656 · 09-19-2012, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

The clock doesn't keep running while they sort it out. Not on a fumble. On a normal running play the clock would keep running, but when the ball comes out and there is a pile, the clock stops. Now, if the ball is rolling around for a while before they jump on it, then I agree the clock would run out. I'm talking about a guy shooting the gap and the ball is laying right in front of the QB, and the defender immediately falls on it. Is that likely? No. Is it possible? Technically yes.

But you ignored the most important point I was trying to get across. You're assuming there would be a pile up, but what if the ball rolls free and a Bucs player picks it up and runs with it for a touchdown? Again, not likely, but neither is any other desperation play, and we've all seen plenty of instances where football's version of a miracle has happened.

And it's especially hypocritical for any of us to talk about a hard play as being dirty when we've been defending the Saints for months on making big LEGAL hits. I still stand by the Saints and I still have no problem with the Bucs play.

We are talking about 5 seconds, not 45 or even 25. What I meant about sorting and the clock running is that by the time the refs even REALIZE that there IS a fumble, there will be a pause while they let the play run itself out and that takes time.

If a team gets a 1st down @ the 2:00 warning and is trying to run out the clock and the other team is out of timeouts, then I could see a team attempting to force a turnover.

vpheughan · 09-18-2012, 09:25 PM

PLAYER SAFETY huh? BS!!!!! NFL

Danno · 09-19-2012, 08:44 AM

Probably the best thing to do is try to time the snap. Have your MLB run full speed, time the snap, jump over the center, and nail the QB right in the chest.

If your timing is off, its only a 5 yard off-sides penalty... line up and do it again, and again, and again. Its legal as long as you don't go helmet to helmet, right?

papz · 09-19-2012, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Probably the best thing to do is try to time the snap. Have your MLB run full speed, time the snap, jump over the center, and nail the QB right in the chest.

If your timing is off, its only a 5 yard off-sides penalty... line up and do it again, and again, and again. Its legal as long as you don't go helmet to helmet, right?

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09-18-2012, 06:25 PM	#1
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Re: NFL sides with Buccaneers on kneel-down controversy If there were a decent amount of time left then I could see trying something like this. But there were FIVE SECONDS left. If the Bucs managed to cause a fumble and recover it, the time would have expired.

09-18-2012, 06:31 PM	#2
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: NFL sides with Buccaneers on kneel-down controversy Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 If there were a decent amount of time left then I could see trying something like this. But there were FIVE SECONDS left. If the Bucs managed to cause a fumble and recover it, the time would have expired. Agreed. If there was 1:30 left on the clock then I would have understood. When there's 5 seconds though... Come on.

09-18-2012, 07:10 PM	#3
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: NFL sides with Buccaneers on kneel-down controversy Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Agreed. If there was 1:30 left on the clock then I would have understood. When there's 5 seconds though... Come on. ... but with 1:30 left on the clock, NYG wouldn't have been 'kneeling' either. This is kinda' like 'Handshake-gate' last year between the Lions/49ers ... WTF?!?!? ... I'm gonna' refer to it from here on out as 'Kneeling-gate', . My understanding of the whole 'kneeling-to-end-a-game' thing is that it's a sportsmanly way of ending a game where there is no possible way for your opponent to come back and win. You've kicked their ass and don't want to inflict further embarrassment upon your opponent. It does kinda' suck to be on the opposite side of the 'kneel' because you do get the feeling that you are being slightly dissed in that the kneeling team doesn't even have the respect for you to run one more play ... ... but therein lies the rub ... it was only a 7pt game. Technically, TB could have caused a fumble, recovered and ran it in for a TD ... stranger things have happened in an NFL game, eh? New York thought the game was over, Tampa Bay didn't ... I really can't fault the Buccaneers for doing what they did. It may have been bad manners, but if there is even the slightest chance at winning a game, don't we expect our teams to take it? And if I'm a NYG offensive lineman, don't I look across the line of scrimmage and see that Tampa Bay is coming? IDK, I think they should have just brawled after the game if they all had that much energy left over, . ChrisXVI likes this.

09-18-2012, 08:55 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL sides with Buccaneers on kneel-down controversy "If there were a decent amount of time left then I could see trying something like this. But there were FIVE SECONDS left. If the Bucs managed to cause a fumble and recover it, the time would have expired." The clock stops on a turnover. 5 seconds is enough time to fall on the football. But you're missing another possibility. Suppose they fumble the exchange and it's rolling free, and the Bucs pick it up and run for a touchdown. You still honestly believe they should just quit? You guys are arguing against probability, but maybe you should talk to the 2002 Kentucky Wildcats who lost to LSU on a 74 yard touchdown pass with 2 seconds on the clock. You never know what might happen, and if the Bucs somehow come up with the ball, they at least get the chance at a miracle.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-18-2012, 09:24 PM	#5
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Re: NFL sides with Buccaneers on kneel-down controversy Originally Posted by burningmetal "If there were a decent amount of time left then I could see trying something like this. But there were FIVE SECONDS left. If the Bucs managed to cause a fumble and recover it, the time would have expired." The clock stops on a turnover. 5 seconds is enough time to fall on the football. But you're missing another possibility. Suppose they fumble the exchange and it's rolling free, and the Bucs pick it up and run for a touchdown. You still honestly believe they should just quit? You guys are arguing against probability, but maybe you should talk to the 2002 Kentucky Wildcats who lost to LSU on a 74 yard touchdown pass with 2 seconds on the clock. You never know what might happen, and if the Bucs somehow come up with the ball, they at least get the chance at a miracle. If the Bucs WERE able to cause a fumble with the 5 seconds left, by the time the ball was recovered, AND the officials got it sorted out which team had recovered it, the time would have expired.

09-19-2012, 04:33 PM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL sides with Buccaneers on kneel-down controversy Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 If the Bucs WERE able to cause a fumble with the 5 seconds left, by the time the ball was recovered, AND the officials got it sorted out which team had recovered it, the time would have expired. The clock doesn't keep running while they sort it out. Not on a fumble. On a normal running play the clock would keep running, but when the ball comes out and there is a pile, the clock stops. Now, if the ball is rolling around for a while before they jump on it, then I agree the clock would run out. I'm talking about a guy shooting the gap and the ball is laying right in front of the QB, and the defender immediately falls on it. Is that likely? No. Is it possible? Technically yes. But you ignored the most important point I was trying to get across. You're assuming there would be a pile up, but what if the ball rolls free and a Bucs player picks it up and runs with it for a touchdown? Again, not likely, but neither is any other desperation play, and we've all seen plenty of instances where football's version of a miracle has happened. And it's especially hypocritical for any of us to talk about a hard play as being dirty when we've been defending the Saints for months on making big LEGAL hits. I still stand by the Saints and I still have no problem with the Bucs play.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-19-2012, 09:29 PM	#7
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Re: NFL sides with Buccaneers on kneel-down controversy Originally Posted by burningmetal The clock doesn't keep running while they sort it out. Not on a fumble. On a normal running play the clock would keep running, but when the ball comes out and there is a pile, the clock stops. Now, if the ball is rolling around for a while before they jump on it, then I agree the clock would run out. I'm talking about a guy shooting the gap and the ball is laying right in front of the QB, and the defender immediately falls on it. Is that likely? No. Is it possible? Technically yes. But you ignored the most important point I was trying to get across. You're assuming there would be a pile up, but what if the ball rolls free and a Bucs player picks it up and runs with it for a touchdown? Again, not likely, but neither is any other desperation play, and we've all seen plenty of instances where football's version of a miracle has happened. And it's especially hypocritical for any of us to talk about a hard play as being dirty when we've been defending the Saints for months on making big LEGAL hits. I still stand by the Saints and I still have no problem with the Bucs play. We are talking about 5 seconds, not 45 or even 25. What I meant about sorting and the clock running is that by the time the refs even REALIZE that there IS a fumble, there will be a pause while they let the play run itself out and that takes time. If a team gets a 1st down @ the 2:00 warning and is trying to run out the clock and the other team is out of timeouts, then I could see a team attempting to force a turnover.

09-18-2012, 09:25 PM	#8
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09-19-2012, 08:44 AM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,752	Re: NFL sides with Buccaneers on kneel-down controversy Probably the best thing to do is try to time the snap. Have your MLB run full speed, time the snap, jump over the center, and nail the QB right in the chest. If your timing is off, its only a 5 yard off-sides penalty... line up and do it again, and again, and again. Its legal as long as you don't go helmet to helmet, right?

09-19-2012, 08:57 AM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,775	Re: NFL sides with Buccaneers on kneel-down controversy Originally Posted by Danno Probably the best thing to do is try to time the snap. Have your MLB run full speed, time the snap, jump over the center, and nail the QB right in the chest. If your timing is off, its only a 5 yard off-sides penalty... line up and do it again, and again, and again. Its legal as long as you don't go helmet to helmet, right? BREAKING NEWS BRAWL BREAKS OUT AT NFL GAME BOTH TEAMS SUSPENDED FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON

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