Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?”

FinSaint · 03-02-2013, 05:25 PM

The psychological "probing" is very important when it comes to 1st round picks, because although the game is about "freakish natural ability" like Tobias put it; if recent years have taught us anything, it's that if those players can't stay out of trouble both on the field and even more importantly off the field - it doesn't matter if they are great athletes and players.

Franchises invest a lot of money and time in their draft picks, and it's only good business sense to try and limit one's risks when it comes to those picks, especially the high ones.

TheOak · 03-03-2013, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

We should probably acknowledge the fact that teams could just be testing how a player reacts to a question like the one about his sexuality rather than actually caring whether or not they in fact are gay.

Ill acknowledge that possibility when they ask someone named "Mingo" the same question.

It was not a coincidence that they asked Te'o.

TheOak · 03-03-2013, 09:30 AM

It's not about being gay, having a gay brother, being in a locker room with someone that could be attracted to you. It's not about intelligence or mental defects..... It's ALL about identifying a weakness of any type.

Think about it, there are some stupid defective personalities in they NFL.

This and all the questioning during the combine are about finding a mental weakness. Te'o sexual preference is not a concern of the team, his pretending to have a girlfriend for a long period of time is..... The coaches know that Te'o plays the position that is typically the leader of the defense and he has to be trusted 100%, and his team mates can not perceive any weakness.

The coaches asked Te'o that because they knew the players would ask him that directly and how he would answer is what would define his place on a team full of Alfa males.

If asked Abe he replays with "I sure am and don't turn around or ill team you" he will be fine. If he looks scared or starts to crawfish when asked he is weak and won't last.

Tobias-Reiper · 03-04-2013, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

It's not about being gay, having a gay brother, being in a locker room with someone that could be attracted to you. It's not about intelligence or mental defects..... It's ALL about identifying a weakness of any type.

Think about it, there are some stupid defective personalities in they NFL.

This and all the questioning during the combine are about finding a mental weakness. Te'o sexual preference is not a concern of the team, his pretending to have a girlfriend for a long period of time is..... The coaches know that Te'o plays the position that is typically the leader of the defense and he has to be trusted 100%, and his team mates can not perceive any weakness.

The coaches asked Te'o that because they knew the players would ask him that directly and how he would answer is what would define his place on a team full of Alfa males.

If asked Abe he replays with "I sure am and don't turn around or ill team you" he will be fine. If he looks scared or starts to crawfish when asked he is weak and won't last.

I don't buy that.

A suit asking you questions and a dude calling you names in the locker room are 2 different things. The suit, he's a prospective employer and you are going to BS him whether he asks you if you are a peanut popper or if you smoke crack. The dude in the locker room you punch in the mouth, even if the question doesn't bother you, just to show you are alpha.

I am pretty sure the great majority of players interviewed during the combine (if any at all) have never been in that setting, i.e., being interviewed to that degree by a suit in an office, but all of them have been in locker rooms, played in front of large crowds, been called names by opposing fans, etc...

UK_WhoDat · 03-04-2013, 03:05 PM

I wonder what they asked ths player?
BBC Sport - Lauren Silberman: Female kicker's NFL trial cut short by injury

SloMotion · 03-05-2013, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

I wonder what they asked ths player?
BBC Sport - Lauren Silberman: Female kicker's NFL trial cut short by injury

Probably nothing. It was just a gimmick. The chances of her actually suiting up for an NFL team were slim-to-zero ... and 'slim' had left town,

.

NOLA54 · 03-05-2013, 06:06 PM

I can assure you that whether gay or lesbian no one is checking out every thing that moves. If you are uncomfortable that is on you not the gay guy next to you. This issue is about equality.

Tobias-Reiper · 03-05-2013, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Probably nothing. It was just a gimmick. The chances of her actually suiting up for an NFL team were slim-to-zero ... and 'slim' had left town, .

What? Are you trying to insinuate she's fat? Sexist chauvinist pig!

Danno · 03-05-2013, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

I can assure you that whether gay or lesbian no one is checking out every thing that moves. If you are uncomfortable that is on you not the gay guy next to you. This issue is about equality.

Just a hypothetical...

If the vast majority of your team's players have a problem with it (and polls have shown most do), do you...

A- Tell them tough crap, get over it, and risk them leaving for another team without that type of player

B- Try to protect your zillion dollar investment by avoiding what your players refuse to be a part of.

Its not about equality at all. Its a business decision and a very gray area.

Just as it is when companies try to attract Muslim owned companies. If you send a woman in to negotiate, you will NOT get the bid and companies know this. And the women that work for these companies know it too. They know when to pick their battles. I've witnerssed this 1st hand. Its not fair, but its reality.

BTW: once the bid was awarded the demographics of the project team went back to normal. Its just how the game is played.

SloMotion · 03-07-2013, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

What? Are you trying to insinuate she's fat? Sexist chauvinist pig!

Not 'fat', just big-boned,

... and fair enough, I am a bit of a scp,

.

03-02-2013, 05:25 PM	#31
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” The psychological "probing" is very important when it comes to 1st round picks, because although the game is about "freakish natural ability" like Tobias put it; if recent years have taught us anything, it's that if those players can't stay out of trouble both on the field and even more importantly off the field - it doesn't matter if they are great athletes and players. Franchises invest a lot of money and time in their draft picks, and it's only good business sense to try and limit one's risks when it comes to those picks, especially the high ones. SloMotion likes this.
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03-03-2013, 09:18 AM	#32
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Originally Posted by FinSaint We should probably acknowledge the fact that teams could just be testing how a player reacts to a question like the one about his sexuality rather than actually caring whether or not they in fact are gay. Ill acknowledge that possibility when they ask someone named "Mingo" the same question. It was not a coincidence that they asked Te'o.

03-03-2013, 09:30 AM	#33
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	It's not about being gay, having a gay brother, being in a locker room with someone that could be attracted to you. It's not about intelligence or mental defects..... It's ALL about identifying a weakness of any type. Think about it, there are some stupid defective personalities in they NFL. This and all the questioning during the combine are about finding a mental weakness. Te'o sexual preference is not a concern of the team, his pretending to have a girlfriend for a long period of time is..... The coaches know that Te'o plays the position that is typically the leader of the defense and he has to be trusted 100%, and his team mates can not perceive any weakness. The coaches asked Te'o that because they knew the players would ask him that directly and how he would answer is what would define his place on a team full of Alfa males. If asked Abe he replays with "I sure am and don't turn around or ill team you" he will be fine. If he looks scared or starts to crawfish when asked he is weak and won't last.
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03-04-2013, 11:36 AM	#34
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” Originally Posted by TheOak It's not about being gay, having a gay brother, being in a locker room with someone that could be attracted to you. It's not about intelligence or mental defects..... It's ALL about identifying a weakness of any type. Think about it, there are some stupid defective personalities in they NFL. This and all the questioning during the combine are about finding a mental weakness. Te'o sexual preference is not a concern of the team, his pretending to have a girlfriend for a long period of time is..... The coaches know that Te'o plays the position that is typically the leader of the defense and he has to be trusted 100%, and his team mates can not perceive any weakness. The coaches asked Te'o that because they knew the players would ask him that directly and how he would answer is what would define his place on a team full of Alfa males. If asked Abe he replays with "I sure am and don't turn around or ill team you" he will be fine. If he looks scared or starts to crawfish when asked he is weak and won't last. I don't buy that. A suit asking you questions and a dude calling you names in the locker room are 2 different things. The suit, he's a prospective employer and you are going to BS him whether he asks you if you are a peanut popper or if you smoke crack. The dude in the locker room you punch in the mouth, even if the question doesn't bother you, just to show you are alpha. I am pretty sure the great majority of players interviewed during the combine (if any at all) have never been in that setting, i.e., being interviewed to that degree by a suit in an office, but all of them have been in locker rooms, played in front of large crowds, been called names by opposing fans, etc...
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03-04-2013, 03:05 PM	#35
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03-05-2013, 05:54 PM	#36
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat I wonder what they asked ths player? BBC Sport - Lauren Silberman: Female kicker's NFL trial cut short by injury Probably nothing. It was just a gimmick. The chances of her actually suiting up for an NFL team were slim-to-zero ... and 'slim' had left town, .

03-05-2013, 06:06 PM	#37
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” I can assure you that whether gay or lesbian no one is checking out every thing that moves. If you are uncomfortable that is on you not the gay guy next to you. This issue is about equality.

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Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” Originally Posted by SloMotion Probably nothing. It was just a gimmick. The chances of her actually suiting up for an NFL team were slim-to-zero ... and 'slim' had left town, . What? Are you trying to insinuate she's fat? Sexist chauvinist pig!

03-05-2013, 07:11 PM	#39
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” Originally Posted by NOLA54 I can assure you that whether gay or lesbian no one is checking out every thing that moves. If you are uncomfortable that is on you not the gay guy next to you. This issue is about equality. Just a hypothetical... If the vast majority of your team's players have a problem with it (and polls have shown most do), do you... A- Tell them tough crap, get over it, and risk them leaving for another team without that type of player B- Try to protect your zillion dollar investment by avoiding what your players refuse to be a part of. Its not about equality at all. Its a business decision and a very gray area. Just as it is when companies try to attract Muslim owned companies. If you send a woman in to negotiate, you will NOT get the bid and companies know this. And the women that work for these companies know it too. They know when to pick their battles. I've witnerssed this 1st hand. Its not fair, but its reality. BTW: once the bid was awarded the demographics of the project team went back to normal. Its just how the game is played.

03-07-2013, 05:29 AM	#40
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Team asks prospect, “Do you like girls?” Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper What? Are you trying to insinuate she's fat? Sexist chauvinist pig! Not 'fat', just big-boned, ... and fair enough, I am a bit of a scp, .

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