Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one)

xan · 03-23-2013, 08:44 AM

That he hasn't signed yet should be a huge tell. Clearly teams have seen the hysterical tapes of his ineptitude in man or zone coverage, his lack of desire to tackle, and his overall confusion. If he was even half as good as he was hyped to be he would have been worth keeping by the Fecals. Three weeks in and no contract?

Yeah, sign him. Over pay. Cripple us further.

Joker · 03-23-2013, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by xan

That he hasn't signed yet should be a huge tell. Clearly teams have seen the hysterical tapes of his ineptitude in man or zone coverage, his lack of desire to tackle, and his overall confusion. If he was even half as good as he was hyped to be he would have been worth keeping by the Fecals. Three weeks in and no contract?

Yeah, sign him. Over pay. Cripple us further.

I agree with you 100%

Danno · 03-23-2013, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by xan

That he hasn't signed yet should be a huge tell. Clearly teams have seen the hysterical tapes of his ineptitude in man or zone coverage, his lack of desire to tackle, and his overall confusion. If he was even half as good as he was hyped to be he would have been worth keeping by the Fecals. Three weeks in and no contract?

Yeah, sign him. Over pay. Cripple us further.

Well since we didn't sign him we obviously didn't overpay or cripple us further.

At least not yet.

FinSaint · 03-23-2013, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by xan

That he hasn't signed yet should be a huge tell. Clearly teams have seen the hysterical tapes of his ineptitude in man or zone coverage, his lack of desire to tackle, and his overall confusion. If he was even half as good as he was hyped to be he would have been worth keeping by the Fecals. Three weeks in and no contract?

Yeah, sign him. Over pay. Cripple us further.

Him not having signed a contract yet doesn't necessarily have anything to do with teams not believing he's still capable of being a starter caliber CB - that's a far fetched correlation without any supporting evidence.

The fact that it has been reported that both the 49ers and the Saints have offered him a contract would suggest that at least those two teams feel like Asomugha would be a positive addition to their rosters. And those are the only two teams he has officially visited with, so who's to say that even more teams wouldn't have been keen on having him on their roster? I think that since Asomugha clearly made the wrong choice last time around choosing to sign with the Eagles, he's taking his time this time around to be certain that he chooses the right place for him to have the best success at.

You can't really blame the guy for doing that if the 49ers and the Saints haven't given him any deadlines for when he has to make up his mind - and that would suggest that he isn't going to be asking for a mega-deal.

frydaddy · 03-23-2013, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by xan

That he hasn't signed yet should be a huge tell. Clearly teams have seen the hysterical tapes of his ineptitude in man or zone coverage, his lack of desire to tackle, and his overall confusion. If he was even half as good as he was hyped to be he would have been worth keeping by the Fecals. Three weeks in and no contract?

Yeah, sign him. Over pay. Cripple us further.

Ineptitude in man?..... Ya know, I do my best to remain civil at all times, but I'm gonna break character this time and just say shut up. Don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about. 2 years in an awful system, coached by a DC who knew as much about defense as you probably do.. here's a little news break for ya, a lot of star power went to waste in that s#!t pile of a city.

I reeeaaaally wish we had a dislike button

xan · 03-23-2013, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Ineptitude in man?..... Ya know, I do my best to remain civil at all times, but I'm gonna break character this time and just say shut up. Don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about. 2 years in an awful system, coached by a DC who knew as much about defense as you probably do.. here's a little news break for ya, a lot of star power went to waste in that s#!t pile of a city.

I reeeaaaally wish we had a dislike button

Sorry to grind your gears, man. As I am stuck in Jersey with the Eagles being my Guantanamo torture for 20 weeks, I got a front row ticket to his performances. As a primo Eagles hater, I thought it a shame they let him go. His hugely undeserved salary squeezed out any ability to sign other capable players.

In Oakland, the other DB's were so bad by comparison that it wasn't worth throwing his direction as the payouts were so much better against the other backs. The opposing team's strategies made it appear that Numbdi was better than he really was. With the Eagles, there was definitely more talent in their defensive backfield. So more teams took chances his way, and he got exposed. It got worse as their season progressed - when you got him isolated, he was vulnerable. You could attribute it to scheme, but man coverage is man coverage. You could attribute it to "disinterest in the circumstances," but if he has that "I got mine" attitude, which it appeared, (it is not clear that he had enough pride to show up and do the job he was overpaid to do) then who would want him?

I'm not hating on him. I think he's an average NFL caliber player. But he is what WR's of the Keyshawn/Ochocinqo ilk are, media creations. The prettiest troll under the bridge is still a troll.

Seer1 · 03-23-2013, 11:28 AM

I'll go with Ryan's opinion of him for now. He's been offered a contract which says it all. He's not hurting for money and I think he's really working at deciding where he's going to be happiest. I'd bet the offers are similar, the Saints' and niners' idea of how to use him are also very similar, the chances of winning a ring with both teams are similar so it's going to boil down to where he thinks'll be the best place to be. As Xan so eloquently put it in his comparison of Philly to Guantanamo after 20 weeks, imagine 2 years there. He's not going to make that same mistake. Not signing is saying nothing more than he's going to be very careful this time up. He's been given a deadline by both teams and he'll probably take most of that (unless he has Dumervil's ex-agent) before he makes a final decision.

TheOak · 03-23-2013, 12:48 PM

Raise your hand if you already have Nnamdi wallpaper.

xan · 03-23-2013, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Raise your hand if you already have Nnamdi wallpaper.

Wall or toilet?

frydaddy · 03-23-2013, 02:09 PM

On further review, I wish I had not broken character after all. Caught me on a rough morning, but we all have em, so I apologize.

I still think you're wrong about him though. I understand you got to see the worst of him and all, but my argument remains the same. Wrong guy in the wrong scheme.

I can't recall who he played alongside in oakland, I'll have to do some research on that later.. but I find it hard to believe his dominance was just an illusion based on the god awfulness of his teammates. I believe it was Danno who posted a snippet from an article that mentioned he gave up 13 completions and 2 td's in 3 years. The same article talked about how his strength is in playing press man, because of his long arms and ability to disrupt the wr's route off the line. Rob Ryan played to his strengths then, and I'm sure he would do it now too.

Now I get what a lot of you are saying about a good pass rush being a cb's best friend, and I agree. However, that's a 2 way street. If you knock a guy off his route, you disrupt his timing with the qb. If the qb has to hold onto the ball longer, the pass rush obviously has a better chance of getting there. I believe nnamdi can still do this effectively.. and really, we only need him to be effective. Not elite, just effective. His skill set is a necessary part of Ryan's defense, and outside of Lewis, I don't think any of our cb's are big or physical enough to do it.

I hope he signs and proves all the doubters wrong. I think he has it in him, whether with us or with san fran. I just hope its with us.

03-23-2013, 08:44 AM	#1
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,372 Blog Entries: 34	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha That he hasn't signed yet should be a huge tell. Clearly teams have seen the hysterical tapes of his ineptitude in man or zone coverage, his lack of desire to tackle, and his overall confusion. If he was even half as good as he was hyped to be he would have been worth keeping by the Fecals. Three weeks in and no contract? Yeah, sign him. Over pay. Cripple us further.

03-23-2013, 08:57 AM	#2
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by xan That he hasn't signed yet should be a huge tell. Clearly teams have seen the hysterical tapes of his ineptitude in man or zone coverage, his lack of desire to tackle, and his overall confusion. If he was even half as good as he was hyped to be he would have been worth keeping by the Fecals. Three weeks in and no contract? Yeah, sign him. Over pay. Cripple us further. I agree with you 100%

03-23-2013, 09:01 AM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by xan That he hasn't signed yet should be a huge tell. Clearly teams have seen the hysterical tapes of his ineptitude in man or zone coverage, his lack of desire to tackle, and his overall confusion. If he was even half as good as he was hyped to be he would have been worth keeping by the Fecals. Three weeks in and no contract? Yeah, sign him. Over pay. Cripple us further. Well since we didn't sign him we obviously didn't overpay or cripple us further. At least not yet.

03-23-2013, 09:06 AM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by xan That he hasn't signed yet should be a huge tell. Clearly teams have seen the hysterical tapes of his ineptitude in man or zone coverage, his lack of desire to tackle, and his overall confusion. If he was even half as good as he was hyped to be he would have been worth keeping by the Fecals. Three weeks in and no contract? Yeah, sign him. Over pay. Cripple us further. Him not having signed a contract yet doesn't necessarily have anything to do with teams not believing he's still capable of being a starter caliber CB - that's a far fetched correlation without any supporting evidence. The fact that it has been reported that both the 49ers and the Saints have offered him a contract would suggest that at least those two teams feel like Asomugha would be a positive addition to their rosters. And those are the only two teams he has officially visited with, so who's to say that even more teams wouldn't have been keen on having him on their roster? I think that since Asomugha clearly made the wrong choice last time around choosing to sign with the Eagles, he's taking his time this time around to be certain that he chooses the right place for him to have the best success at. You can't really blame the guy for doing that if the 49ers and the Saints haven't given him any deadlines for when he has to make up his mind - and that would suggest that he isn't going to be asking for a mega-deal.
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03-23-2013, 09:38 AM	#5
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,953 Blog Entries: 1	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by xan That he hasn't signed yet should be a huge tell. Clearly teams have seen the hysterical tapes of his ineptitude in man or zone coverage, his lack of desire to tackle, and his overall confusion. If he was even half as good as he was hyped to be he would have been worth keeping by the Fecals. Three weeks in and no contract? Yeah, sign him. Over pay. Cripple us further. Ineptitude in man?..... Ya know, I do my best to remain civil at all times, but I'm gonna break character this time and just say shut up. Don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about. 2 years in an awful system, coached by a DC who knew as much about defense as you probably do.. here's a little news break for ya, a lot of star power went to waste in that s#!t pile of a city. I reeeaaaally wish we had a dislike button

03-23-2013, 10:28 AM	#6
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,372 Blog Entries: 34	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by frydaddy Ineptitude in man?..... Ya know, I do my best to remain civil at all times, but I'm gonna break character this time and just say shut up. Don't talk if you don't know what you're talking about. 2 years in an awful system, coached by a DC who knew as much about defense as you probably do.. here's a little news break for ya, a lot of star power went to waste in that s#!t pile of a city. I reeeaaaally wish we had a dislike button Sorry to grind your gears, man. As I am stuck in Jersey with the Eagles being my Guantanamo torture for 20 weeks, I got a front row ticket to his performances. As a primo Eagles hater, I thought it a shame they let him go. His hugely undeserved salary squeezed out any ability to sign other capable players. In Oakland, the other DB's were so bad by comparison that it wasn't worth throwing his direction as the payouts were so much better against the other backs. The opposing team's strategies made it appear that Numbdi was better than he really was. With the Eagles, there was definitely more talent in their defensive backfield. So more teams took chances his way, and he got exposed. It got worse as their season progressed - when you got him isolated, he was vulnerable. You could attribute it to scheme, but man coverage is man coverage. You could attribute it to "disinterest in the circumstances," but if he has that "I got mine" attitude, which it appeared, (it is not clear that he had enough pride to show up and do the job he was overpaid to do) then who would want him? I'm not hating on him. I think he's an average NFL caliber player. But he is what WR's of the Keyshawn/Ochocinqo ilk are, media creations. The prettiest troll under the bridge is still a troll.
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03-23-2013, 11:28 AM	#7
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha I'll go with Ryan's opinion of him for now. He's been offered a contract which says it all. He's not hurting for money and I think he's really working at deciding where he's going to be happiest. I'd bet the offers are similar, the Saints' and niners' idea of how to use him are also very similar, the chances of winning a ring with both teams are similar so it's going to boil down to where he thinks'll be the best place to be. As Xan so eloquently put it in his comparison of Philly to Guantanamo after 20 weeks, imagine 2 years there. He's not going to make that same mistake. Not signing is saying nothing more than he's going to be very careful this time up. He's been given a deadline by both teams and he'll probably take most of that (unless he has Dumervil's ex-agent) before he makes a final decision.
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03-23-2013, 12:48 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Raise your hand if you already have Nnamdi wallpaper.

03-23-2013, 01:32 PM	#9
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,372 Blog Entries: 34	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by TheOak Raise your hand if you already have Nnamdi wallpaper. Wall or toilet?

03-23-2013, 02:09 PM	#10
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,953 Blog Entries: 1	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha On further review, I wish I had not broken character after all. Caught me on a rough morning, but we all have em, so I apologize. I still think you're wrong about him though. I understand you got to see the worst of him and all, but my argument remains the same. Wrong guy in the wrong scheme. I can't recall who he played alongside in oakland, I'll have to do some research on that later.. but I find it hard to believe his dominance was just an illusion based on the god awfulness of his teammates. I believe it was Danno who posted a snippet from an article that mentioned he gave up 13 completions and 2 td's in 3 years. The same article talked about how his strength is in playing press man, because of his long arms and ability to disrupt the wr's route off the line. Rob Ryan played to his strengths then, and I'm sure he would do it now too. Now I get what a lot of you are saying about a good pass rush being a cb's best friend, and I agree. However, that's a 2 way street. If you knock a guy off his route, you disrupt his timing with the qb. If the qb has to hold onto the ball longer, the pass rush obviously has a better chance of getting there. I believe nnamdi can still do this effectively.. and really, we only need him to be effective. Not elite, just effective. His skill set is a necessary part of Ryan's defense, and outside of Lewis, I don't think any of our cb's are big or physical enough to do it. I hope he signs and proves all the doubters wrong. I think he has it in him, whether with us or with san fran. I just hope its with us.
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