Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one)

jeanpierre · 03-20-2013, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

With all due respect, while I understand your point about wanting younger guys and spending less money, this is a rather large assumption. One that many keep making.

Understand ya, feel ya, and I say just look at the singing of Keenan Lewis, highest rated performing cornerback in 2012, and his contract - players are there, younger and available and this is a buyer's market for corners this season...

Originally Posted by burningmetal

No one knows what Nnamdi is asking for. You can rest assured that if his price IS too high, though, the Saints will not sign him.

See Will Smith and Roman Harper Contracts; Jason David in Free Agency; Loomis et al have engaged in some bad contracts...

Originally Posted by burningmetal

And about going after younger guys... Because of their age, those guys will demand more money, regardless of their reputation. Unless they absolutely suck. In which case, we don't need those kind of players anyway.

Keenan Lewis? Very Reasonable contract. Those contracts are available...

Originally Posted by burningmetal

A lot of people seem concerned with how we would dispose of either Greer or Robinson in a way that wouldn't cause a significant cap hit, should we sign Asomugha.

There would be no significant cap savings in cutting either Greer (guaranteed contract) nor Robinson (Low rent Rookie contract); the only way there leaving is to free a roster spot, either by release or trade value...

Originally Posted by burningmetal

But if we DO go after, say, Michael Huff, then what happens with Jenkins or Harper? I'm all for an upgrade at any of these positions, but we're going to be faced with the same questions no matter who we bring in. Someone will have to go. It's just the way it is.

Jenkins has not shown progression nor development as a free safety; I feel he's be best suited as a cornerback or a Strong Safety...

Harper is a liability and is being paid way over his spot in the food chain...

Huff shifted to cornerback for the Raiders and has shown his depth of skills and attitude in doing so...

Signing Huff now would accomplish

(1) An upgrade at Safety like that of Darren Sharper's impact...

(2) A transition plan for the coming seasons when Jenkins' contract will expire...

(3) Some Cap relief, at the very least leverage, in getting Harper's contract at an appropriate level; and Huff should have a market friendly price...

I'm really hoping Nnamdi goes to San Fran and the Saints FO move on Huff...

If Nnamdi comes, I'm down with it, I'm just not buying his jersey or watching his movie/media career...

burningmetal · 03-20-2013, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Understand ya, feel ya, and I say just look at the singing of Keenan Lewis, highest rated performing cornerback in 2012, and his contract - players are there, younger and available and this is a buyer's market for corners this season...

See Will Smith and Roman Harper Contracts; Jason David in Free Agency; Loomis et al have engaged in some bad contracts...

Keenan Lewis? Very Reasonable contract. Those contracts are available...

There would be no significant cap savings in cutting either Greer (guaranteed contract) nor Robinson (Low rent Rookie contract); the only way there leaving is to free a roster spot, either by release or trade value...

Jenkins has not shown progression nor development as a free safety; I feel he's be best suited as a cornerback or a Strong Safety...

Harper is a liability and is being paid way over his spot in the food chain...

Huff shifted to cornerback for the Raiders and has shown his depth of skills and attitude in doing so...

Signing Huff now would accomplish

(1) An upgrade at Safety like that of Darren Sharper's impact...

(2) A transition plan for the coming seasons when Jenkins' contract will expire...

(3) Some Cap relief, at the very least leverage, in getting Harper's contract at an appropriate level; and Huff should have a market friendly price...

I'm really hoping Nnamdi goes to San Fran and the Saints FO move on Huff...

If Nnamdi comes, I'm down with it, I'm just not buying his jersey or watching his movie/media career...

Keenan Lewis is a nice pickup, but I don't know where you're getting the information that he was the highest performing cornerback. We did get him at a good price, and it's because he still has a significant amount to prove. And mentioning Lewis is not really refuting my position. His salary, though reasonable, is more than Asomugha is going to get. If I'm wrong, then don't expect to see him here.

You brought up players we over paid for. That's cool, I didn't say we never made a bad deal. We had money to give then. The reason I say you can rest assured we will NOT over pay for Nnamdi, is because it is simply impossible right now.

Also, I'm aware that we would get little savings from releasing Greer or Robinson. The only way to save is to somehow find a trade partner. I brought up our safeties because they present the same problem. You're saying we should pursue Huff, but that would mean dealing with the financial burden of getting rid of one of our safeties...

Now don't misunderstand, I would like an upgrade and Huff could be a nice addition. But he is likely gong to command more than the Saints can give. So they're going after other options, and it is in the opinion of the Saints, as well as many of us that Asomugha can be a very good player for us.

We're either going to roll with the safeties we have, and bear with it, or we might draft a guy like Kenny Vaccaro. While Huff might be a nice upgrade, I do strongly disagree that he would give us a Darren Sharper type of impact. He has never been close to that kind of player before.

If you don't want Nnamdi, that's ok. But I'm not really buying into the argument against him.

03-20-2013, 11:43 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by burningmetal With all due respect, while I understand your point about wanting younger guys and spending less money, this is a rather large assumption. One that many keep making. Understand ya, feel ya, and I say just look at the singing of Keenan Lewis, highest rated performing cornerback in 2012, and his contract - players are there, younger and available and this is a buyer's market for corners this season... Originally Posted by burningmetal No one knows what Nnamdi is asking for. You can rest assured that if his price IS too high, though, the Saints will not sign him. See Will Smith and Roman Harper Contracts; Jason David in Free Agency; Loomis et al have engaged in some bad contracts... Originally Posted by burningmetal And about going after younger guys... Because of their age, those guys will demand more money, regardless of their reputation. Unless they absolutely suck. In which case, we don't need those kind of players anyway. Keenan Lewis? Very Reasonable contract. Those contracts are available... Originally Posted by burningmetal A lot of people seem concerned with how we would dispose of either Greer or Robinson in a way that wouldn't cause a significant cap hit, should we sign Asomugha. There would be no significant cap savings in cutting either Greer (guaranteed contract) nor Robinson (Low rent Rookie contract); the only way there leaving is to free a roster spot, either by release or trade value... Originally Posted by burningmetal But if we DO go after, say, Michael Huff, then what happens with Jenkins or Harper? I'm all for an upgrade at any of these positions, but we're going to be faced with the same questions no matter who we bring in. Someone will have to go. It's just the way it is. Jenkins has not shown progression nor development as a free safety; I feel he's be best suited as a cornerback or a Strong Safety... Harper is a liability and is being paid way over his spot in the food chain... Huff shifted to cornerback for the Raiders and has shown his depth of skills and attitude in doing so... Signing Huff now would accomplish (1) An upgrade at Safety like that of Darren Sharper's impact... (2) A transition plan for the coming seasons when Jenkins' contract will expire... (3) Some Cap relief, at the very least leverage, in getting Harper's contract at an appropriate level; and Huff should have a market friendly price... I'm really hoping Nnamdi goes to San Fran and the Saints FO move on Huff... If Nnamdi comes, I'm down with it, I'm just not buying his jersey or watching his movie/media career...
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03-20-2013, 12:34 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by jeanpierre Understand ya, feel ya, and I say just look at the singing of Keenan Lewis, highest rated performing cornerback in 2012, and his contract - players are there, younger and available and this is a buyer's market for corners this season... See Will Smith and Roman Harper Contracts; Jason David in Free Agency; Loomis et al have engaged in some bad contracts... Keenan Lewis? Very Reasonable contract. Those contracts are available... There would be no significant cap savings in cutting either Greer (guaranteed contract) nor Robinson (Low rent Rookie contract); the only way there leaving is to free a roster spot, either by release or trade value... Jenkins has not shown progression nor development as a free safety; I feel he's be best suited as a cornerback or a Strong Safety... Harper is a liability and is being paid way over his spot in the food chain... Huff shifted to cornerback for the Raiders and has shown his depth of skills and attitude in doing so... Signing Huff now would accomplish (1) An upgrade at Safety like that of Darren Sharper's impact... (2) A transition plan for the coming seasons when Jenkins' contract will expire... (3) Some Cap relief, at the very least leverage, in getting Harper's contract at an appropriate level; and Huff should have a market friendly price... I'm really hoping Nnamdi goes to San Fran and the Saints FO move on Huff... If Nnamdi comes, I'm down with it, I'm just not buying his jersey or watching his movie/media career... Keenan Lewis is a nice pickup, but I don't know where you're getting the information that he was the highest performing cornerback. We did get him at a good price, and it's because he still has a significant amount to prove. And mentioning Lewis is not really refuting my position. His salary, though reasonable, is more than Asomugha is going to get. If I'm wrong, then don't expect to see him here. You brought up players we over paid for. That's cool, I didn't say we never made a bad deal. We had money to give then. The reason I say you can rest assured we will NOT over pay for Nnamdi, is because it is simply impossible right now. Also, I'm aware that we would get little savings from releasing Greer or Robinson. The only way to save is to somehow find a trade partner. I brought up our safeties because they present the same problem. You're saying we should pursue Huff, but that would mean dealing with the financial burden of getting rid of one of our safeties... Now don't misunderstand, I would like an upgrade and Huff could be a nice addition. But he is likely gong to command more than the Saints can give. So they're going after other options, and it is in the opinion of the Saints, as well as many of us that Asomugha can be a very good player for us. We're either going to roll with the safeties we have, and bear with it, or we might draft a guy like Kenny Vaccaro. While Huff might be a nice upgrade, I do strongly disagree that he would give us a Darren Sharper type of impact. He has never been close to that kind of player before. If you don't want Nnamdi, that's ok. But I'm not really buying into the argument against him.
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