Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one)

frydaddy · 03-23-2013, 02:09 PM

On further review, I wish I had not broken character after all. Caught me on a rough morning, but we all have em, so I apologize.

I still think you're wrong about him though. I understand you got to see the worst of him and all, but my argument remains the same. Wrong guy in the wrong scheme.

I can't recall who he played alongside in oakland, I'll have to do some research on that later.. but I find it hard to believe his dominance was just an illusion based on the god awfulness of his teammates. I believe it was Danno who posted a snippet from an article that mentioned he gave up 13 completions and 2 td's in 3 years. The same article talked about how his strength is in playing press man, because of his long arms and ability to disrupt the wr's route off the line. Rob Ryan played to his strengths then, and I'm sure he would do it now too.

Now I get what a lot of you are saying about a good pass rush being a cb's best friend, and I agree. However, that's a 2 way street. If you knock a guy off his route, you disrupt his timing with the qb. If the qb has to hold onto the ball longer, the pass rush obviously has a better chance of getting there. I believe nnamdi can still do this effectively.. and really, we only need him to be effective. Not elite, just effective. His skill set is a necessary part of Ryan's defense, and outside of Lewis, I don't think any of our cb's are big or physical enough to do it.

I hope he signs and proves all the doubters wrong. I think he has it in him, whether with us or with san fran. I just hope its with us.

alexonfyre · 03-23-2013, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Now I get what a lot of you are saying about a good pass rush being a cb's best friend, and I agree. However, that's a 2 way street. If you knock a guy off his route, you disrupt his timing with the qb. If the qb has to hold onto the ball longer, the pass rush obviously has a better chance of getting there.

I just want to highlight this. A great pass-rush artificially inflates the image of the secondary, because fewer good passes are thrown. However, a good secondary can turn a bad pass-rush into an average one, and an average one into a great one. From free agency so far it looks like RR believes that our rushers can get to the quarterback if we can shut it down in the back field. In addition, it is much cheaper to sign good help in the secondary than in the front of the D.
This is why Nnamdi and Keenan Lewis make sense for us, biggest bang for buck.

jeanpierre · 03-23-2013, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

I think if you want instant impact a proven, effective pass rusher is the answer.

Hear! Hear!

Originally Posted by Joker

OMG, I can't believe some people still want to see an aging CB in a Saints uniform. The Saint's will be better off spending the money on the D Line and a OLB who can generate some pass rush, if this happens our current CB will look to be all pro.
If its gotten overlooked still need a LT way more than we need Nnamdi A.. Let him go back to California and get over paid for his services, seems like we have enough of that already with Will Smith and Johnathon Vilma regardless if they restructured their contracts.

Well Posted!

Originally Posted by Danno

Brees spoke thru the media both during his contract negotiations and the CBA negotiations.

Ya'll still want Brees?

Totally different context, Nnamdi's negative criticism was football Brees was contract/business; and criticizing staff, football game-planning in-season is just plain awful, it it habitual, probably not, but I don't think he's worth the risk...

Originally Posted by TheOak

Raise your hand if you already have Nnamdi wallpaper.

LOL

Originally Posted by xan

Wall or toilet?

CLOL

Originally Posted by frydaddy

On further review, I wish I had not broken character after all. Caught me on a rough morning, but we all have em, so I apologize.

I still think you're wrong about him though. I understand you got to see the worst of him and all, but my argument remains the same. Wrong guy in the wrong scheme.

We may disagree, but we're all friends and Saints Fans; I've gotten under people's skin, but it's not personal, though I don't back down when someone has crossed a line...

Now onto your point - not trying to see the worst, but I'm weighing risk/reward vs available cap room and I don't think he's the best direction for the team...

03-23-2013, 02:09 PM	#1
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha On further review, I wish I had not broken character after all. Caught me on a rough morning, but we all have em, so I apologize. I still think you're wrong about him though. I understand you got to see the worst of him and all, but my argument remains the same. Wrong guy in the wrong scheme. I can't recall who he played alongside in oakland, I'll have to do some research on that later.. but I find it hard to believe his dominance was just an illusion based on the god awfulness of his teammates. I believe it was Danno who posted a snippet from an article that mentioned he gave up 13 completions and 2 td's in 3 years. The same article talked about how his strength is in playing press man, because of his long arms and ability to disrupt the wr's route off the line. Rob Ryan played to his strengths then, and I'm sure he would do it now too. Now I get what a lot of you are saying about a good pass rush being a cb's best friend, and I agree. However, that's a 2 way street. If you knock a guy off his route, you disrupt his timing with the qb. If the qb has to hold onto the ball longer, the pass rush obviously has a better chance of getting there. I believe nnamdi can still do this effectively.. and really, we only need him to be effective. Not elite, just effective. His skill set is a necessary part of Ryan's defense, and outside of Lewis, I don't think any of our cb's are big or physical enough to do it. I hope he signs and proves all the doubters wrong. I think he has it in him, whether with us or with san fran. I just hope its with us.
	Mais forte do que a morte

03-23-2013, 05:10 PM	#2
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by frydaddy Now I get what a lot of you are saying about a good pass rush being a cb's best friend, and I agree. However, that's a 2 way street. If you knock a guy off his route, you disrupt his timing with the qb. If the qb has to hold onto the ball longer, the pass rush obviously has a better chance of getting there. I just want to highlight this. A great pass-rush artificially inflates the image of the secondary, because fewer good passes are thrown. However, a good secondary can turn a bad pass-rush into an average one, and an average one into a great one. From free agency so far it looks like RR believes that our rushers can get to the quarterback if we can shut it down in the back field. In addition, it is much cheaper to sign good help in the secondary than in the front of the D. This is why Nnamdi and Keenan Lewis make sense for us, biggest bang for buck.

03-23-2013, 07:09 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by Boutte I think if you want instant impact a proven, effective pass rusher is the answer. Hear! Hear! Originally Posted by Joker OMG, I can't believe some people still want to see an aging CB in a Saints uniform. The Saint's will be better off spending the money on the D Line and a OLB who can generate some pass rush, if this happens our current CB will look to be all pro. If its gotten overlooked still need a LT way more than we need Nnamdi A.. Let him go back to California and get over paid for his services, seems like we have enough of that already with Will Smith and Johnathon Vilma regardless if they restructured their contracts. Well Posted! Originally Posted by Danno Brees spoke thru the media both during his contract negotiations and the CBA negotiations. Ya'll still want Brees? Totally different context, Nnamdi's negative criticism was football Brees was contract/business; and criticizing staff, football game-planning in-season is just plain awful, it it habitual, probably not, but I don't think he's worth the risk... Originally Posted by TheOak Raise your hand if you already have Nnamdi wallpaper. LOL Originally Posted by xan Wall or toilet? CLOL Originally Posted by frydaddy On further review, I wish I had not broken character after all. Caught me on a rough morning, but we all have em, so I apologize. I still think you're wrong about him though. I understand you got to see the worst of him and all, but my argument remains the same. Wrong guy in the wrong scheme. We may disagree, but we're all friends and Saints Fans; I've gotten under people's skin, but it's not personal, though I don't back down when someone has crossed a line... Now onto your point - not trying to see the worst, but I'm weighing risk/reward vs available cap room and I don't think he's the best direction for the team...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way... Last edited by jeanpierre; 03-23-2013 at 07:13 PM..

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