Reggie Bush compares Matthew Stafford to Drew Brees

MaggieMayTB · 06-10-2013, 08:43 PM

I believe Detroit is under a RB curse. I thought Kevin would do the job - fail. Then David - fail again.

Cursed and under a spell left by Wayne Fontes.
Matt Millen - EPIC fail.
I also feel Iron Mountain Steve was given a raw deal.

Eliminate the spell and Detroit may have a chance.
For now, consolidate the Vikings and Lions into a team and pick off the good parts...

1. Peterson
2. Bush

!. Stafford
2.

1. Megatron
2. Jennings

Ford Field

Now you have a show to slap down Clay and company. (Sorry, I just don't like Aaron Rogers.)

WillSaints81 · 06-11-2013, 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not trying to take anything away from Stafford. However I don't see thats its any comparison.

Stafford has had 1 season over 60% and Drew has not had one under 63% since 2004.

Megatron has made Stafford, Drew has made our receivers.

Then there is the running game, If Detroit gets one Staffords pass attempts will go down. Detroit also play a lot from behind which increases his throwing.

Where did the other almost 3,000 yards go then? And lets talk about a qb who threw for even less yards with a more pathetic run game and two wide receivers and a tight end make him look good as well, the other Matt. And well Stafford still threw for more yards. If the lions played in our division they probably would have made the playoffs last year but they played in a division with three teams who were all heavily contending and the lions were the ones who got off to the wrong start and when you trail you don't beat the ones who have more to play for.

TheOak · 06-11-2013, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Where did the other almost 3,000 yards go then? And lets talk about a qb who threw for even less yards with a more pathetic run game and two wide receivers and a tight end make him look good as well, the other Matt. And well Stafford still threw for more yards. If the lions played in our division they probably would have made the playoffs last year but they played in a division with three teams who were all heavily contending and the lions were the ones who got off to the wrong start and when you trail you don't beat the ones who have more to play for.

I don't know what your talking about in the first part.

On the second part:
Not intending to vent on you but take it for what it's worth, a prime example of why I don't care to live in Louisiana again.

The laundry list of excuses that never include the reason.

You literally just strung together a list of excuses for why a 4-12 team should have been in the play offs? A 4-12 team? Seriously?

How about "they failed to consistently show up on game day ready to play ball"?

SloMotion · 06-11-2013, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I don't know what your talking about in the first part.

He's referencing a stat from the "does Stafford make Megatron better?" or "does Megatron make Stafford better?" debate in which Stafford supporters point out that of the approx. 5000yds passing-a-season Stafford has compiled the last two years, approx. only 1800yds per season went to Calvin Johnson. Stafford spread the remaining 3000yds (approx) to the rest of his receiving corps & running backs.

Not too shabby, IMO, no matter how you slice it.

.

As for the observation that if the Lions played in the NFC South they probably would have made the playoffs, I agree. They lost every game in arguably the strongest Division in the NFL last season. Had they been able to play the Bucs & the Panthers twice a year instead of Green Bay, Chicago & a surprising Minnesota, things undoubtedly would have turned out different. I go as far as to suggest they may have even split with the Saints (without Payton) and whatever remaining team in the NFC South I may have forgot to mention.

SloMotion · 06-11-2013, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by MaggieMayTB

I believe Detroit is under a RB curse. I thought Kevin would do the job - fail. Then David - fail again.

Cursed and under a spell left by Wayne Fontes.
Matt Millen - EPIC fail.
I also feel Iron Mountain Steve was given a raw deal.

Eliminate the spell and Detroit may have a chance.

There is the infamous "Curse of Bobby Layne", but that was only a 50yr curse and should have expired by now,

. I think it may be a "Ford Motor Company" curse ... they've made a living out of being the #2 auto-maker, second-best, back-of-the-pack, yada-yada-yada and that business acumen has just rubbed off onto their NFL team,

.

TheOak · 06-11-2013, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

He's referencing a stat from the "does Stafford make Megatron better?" or "does Megatron make Stafford better?" debate in which Stafford supporters point out that of the approx. 5000yds passing-a-season Stafford has compiled the last two years, approx. only 1800yds per season went to Calvin Johnson. Stafford spread the remaining 3000yds (approx) to the rest of his receiving corps & running backs.

Not too shabby, IMO, no matter how you slice it. .

As for the observation that if the Lions played in the NFC South they probably would have made the playoffs, I agree. They lost every game in arguably the strongest Division in the NFL last season. Had they been able to play the Bucs & the Panthers twice a year instead of Green Bay, Chicago & a surprising Minnesota, things undoubtedly would have turned out different. I go as far as to suggest they may have even split with the Saints (without Payton) and whatever remaining team in the NFC South I may have forgot to mention.

Its not a 1-1 swap, Megatrons yards also come with the caveat that he draws the best d-backs and double teams. That changes the passing dynamic completely. If you take away Megatron then defenses play the Lions differently.

However "if" you just do the 1-1 swap then Stafford has 3003 yards (25th in the NFL), a 79.8 passer rating (22nd in the NFL), 20 TDs (19th in NFL), 3rd highest INTs in the NFL, 18th in Comp%.... are we still calling him a top tier QB?

With those numbers is anyone talking about Stafford at all?

If your going to do the "with out Megatron" argument then you have to look at everything else with out Megatron

BTW 5 of those TDs belong to Megatron also which Puts Stafford with 15 TDs and 17 INTs.

Jamessr · 06-11-2013, 08:26 AM

again...
Detroit has talent. They're just a bunch of thugs.

SloMotion · 06-11-2013, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

.... are we still calling him a top tier QB?

Where did anyone call him a top tier QB? Relax, nobody said he was better than Drew,

.

TheOak · 06-11-2013, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Where did anyone call him a top tier QB? Relax, nobody said he was better than Drew, .

Will be elite, Will be premiere, Will be premiere.

K Major · 06-11-2013, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Agree with you about Stafford, you could see his potential at Georgia.

As far as Reggie, well do I really even need to say anything, lol.

Having lived in the DFW area for over a decade now, I saw potential from Stafford dating back to his Highland Park High School playing days. I like what he brings to the table.

06-10-2013, 08:43 PM	#21
MaggieMayTB Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Franklin, Wisconsin (knee deep in melted cheese sauce) Posts: 615 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Reggie Bush compares Matthew Stafford to Drew Brees I believe Detroit is under a RB curse. I thought Kevin would do the job - fail. Then David - fail again. Cursed and under a spell left by Wayne Fontes. Matt Millen - EPIC fail. I also feel Iron Mountain Steve was given a raw deal. Eliminate the spell and Detroit may have a chance. For now, consolidate the Vikings and Lions into a team and pick off the good parts... 1. Peterson 2. Bush !. Stafford 2. 1. Megatron 2. Jennings Ford Field Now you have a show to slap down Clay and company. (Sorry, I just don't like Aaron Rogers.) SloMotion likes this.

06-11-2013, 03:20 AM	#22
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Reggie Bush compares Matthew Stafford to Drew Brees Originally Posted by TheOak Not trying to take anything away from Stafford. However I don't see thats its any comparison. Stafford has had 1 season over 60% and Drew has not had one under 63% since 2004. Megatron has made Stafford, Drew has made our receivers. Then there is the running game, If Detroit gets one Staffords pass attempts will go down. Detroit also play a lot from behind which increases his throwing. Where did the other almost 3,000 yards go then? And lets talk about a qb who threw for even less yards with a more pathetic run game and two wide receivers and a tight end make him look good as well, the other Matt. And well Stafford still threw for more yards. If the lions played in our division they probably would have made the playoffs last year but they played in a division with three teams who were all heavily contending and the lions were the ones who got off to the wrong start and when you trail you don't beat the ones who have more to play for.

06-11-2013, 06:24 AM	#23
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Reggie Bush compares Matthew Stafford to Drew Brees Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Where did the other almost 3,000 yards go then? And lets talk about a qb who threw for even less yards with a more pathetic run game and two wide receivers and a tight end make him look good as well, the other Matt. And well Stafford still threw for more yards. If the lions played in our division they probably would have made the playoffs last year but they played in a division with three teams who were all heavily contending and the lions were the ones who got off to the wrong start and when you trail you don't beat the ones who have more to play for. I don't know what your talking about in the first part. On the second part: Not intending to vent on you but take it for what it's worth, a prime example of why I don't care to live in Louisiana again. The laundry list of excuses that never include the reason. You literally just strung together a list of excuses for why a 4-12 team should have been in the play offs? A 4-12 team? Seriously? How about "they failed to consistently show up on game day ready to play ball"?

06-11-2013, 06:47 AM	#24
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Reggie Bush compares Matthew Stafford to Drew Brees Originally Posted by TheOak I don't know what your talking about in the first part. He's referencing a stat from the "does Stafford make Megatron better?" or "does Megatron make Stafford better?" debate in which Stafford supporters point out that of the approx. 5000yds passing-a-season Stafford has compiled the last two years, approx. only 1800yds per season went to Calvin Johnson. Stafford spread the remaining 3000yds (approx) to the rest of his receiving corps & running backs. Not too shabby, IMO, no matter how you slice it. . As for the observation that if the Lions played in the NFC South they probably would have made the playoffs, I agree. They lost every game in arguably the strongest Division in the NFL last season. Had they been able to play the Bucs & the Panthers twice a year instead of Green Bay, Chicago & a surprising Minnesota, things undoubtedly would have turned out different. I go as far as to suggest they may have even split with the Saints (without Payton) and whatever remaining team in the NFC South I may have forgot to mention.

06-11-2013, 07:00 AM	#25
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Reggie Bush compares Matthew Stafford to Drew Brees Originally Posted by MaggieMayTB I believe Detroit is under a RB curse. I thought Kevin would do the job - fail. Then David - fail again. Cursed and under a spell left by Wayne Fontes. Matt Millen - EPIC fail. I also feel Iron Mountain Steve was given a raw deal. Eliminate the spell and Detroit may have a chance. There is the infamous "Curse of Bobby Layne", but that was only a 50yr curse and should have expired by now, . I think it may be a "Ford Motor Company" curse ... they've made a living out of being the #2 auto-maker, second-best, back-of-the-pack, yada-yada-yada and that business acumen has just rubbed off onto their NFL team, .

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06-11-2013, 07:45 AM	#26
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Reggie Bush compares Matthew Stafford to Drew Brees Originally Posted by SloMotion He's referencing a stat from the "does Stafford make Megatron better?" or "does Megatron make Stafford better?" debate in which Stafford supporters point out that of the approx. 5000yds passing-a-season Stafford has compiled the last two years, approx. only 1800yds per season went to Calvin Johnson. Stafford spread the remaining 3000yds (approx) to the rest of his receiving corps & running backs. Not too shabby, IMO, no matter how you slice it. . As for the observation that if the Lions played in the NFC South they probably would have made the playoffs, I agree. They lost every game in arguably the strongest Division in the NFL last season. Had they been able to play the Bucs & the Panthers twice a year instead of Green Bay, Chicago & a surprising Minnesota, things undoubtedly would have turned out different. I go as far as to suggest they may have even split with the Saints (without Payton) and whatever remaining team in the NFC South I may have forgot to mention. Its not a 1-1 swap, Megatrons yards also come with the caveat that he draws the best d-backs and double teams. That changes the passing dynamic completely. If you take away Megatron then defenses play the Lions differently. However "if" you just do the 1-1 swap then Stafford has 3003 yards (25th in the NFL), a 79.8 passer rating (22nd in the NFL), 20 TDs (19th in NFL), 3rd highest INTs in the NFL, 18th in Comp%.... are we still calling him a top tier QB? With those numbers is anyone talking about Stafford at all? If your going to do the "with out Megatron" argument then you have to look at everything else with out Megatron BTW 5 of those TDs belong to Megatron also which Puts Stafford with 15 TDs and 17 INTs.
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06-11-2013, 08:26 AM	#27
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Reggie Bush compares Matthew Stafford to Drew Brees again... Detroit has talent. They're just a bunch of thugs.

06-11-2013, 03:08 PM	#28
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Reggie Bush compares Matthew Stafford to Drew Brees Originally Posted by TheOak .... are we still calling him a top tier QB? Where did anyone call him a top tier QB? Relax, nobody said he was better than Drew, .

06-11-2013, 03:30 PM	#29
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Reggie Bush compares Matthew Stafford to Drew Brees Originally Posted by SloMotion Where did anyone call him a top tier QB? Relax, nobody said he was better than Drew, . Will be elite, Will be premiere, Will be premiere.

06-11-2013, 04:31 PM	#30
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,624 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Reggie Bush compares Matthew Stafford to Drew Brees Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Agree with you about Stafford, you could see his potential at Georgia. As far as Reggie, well do I really even need to say anything, lol. Having lived in the DFW area for over a decade now, I saw potential from Stafford dating back to his Highland Park High School playing days. I like what he brings to the table.

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