McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract

SloMotion · 07-13-2013, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

WOW, 1-23, now that speaks volumes, that is surprising.

Yeah, but the Lions as a whole have a history of struggling to beat teams with better than .500 records, so I don't put that all on Mattford.

He's put them in position to win and they've blown it plenty of times. He's also engineered enough 4Qtr comebacks/game-winning drives in the only two complete seasons he's had to be respectable.

By no means am I handing him the keys-to-the-kingdom as we oft see the misguided fanbase of another NFC South franchise that trots out "the other Matt" every Sunday, but I'm telling you, Stafford is a 'gamer' and that boy is worth every penny of that contract,

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halloween 65 · 07-13-2013, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Yeah, but the Lions as a whole have a history of struggling to beat teams with better than .500 records, so I don't put that all on Mattford.

He's put them in position to win and they've blown it plenty of times. He's also engineered enough 4Qtr comebacks/game-winning drives in the only two complete seasons he's had to be respectable.

By no means am I handing him the keys-to-the-kingdom as we oft see the misguided fanbase of another NFC South franchise that trots out "the other Matt" every Sunday, but I'm telling you, Stafford is a 'gamer' and that boy is worth every penny of that contract, .

I also like Stafford. I see a lot of game in him, barring injury I think he will be one of the best to play qb. in a long time. It's funny how people hype up the RG3's type players, but I don't think they will have the longevity because of their style of play like Stafford will.

spkb25 · 07-13-2013, 07:25 AM

God it is like listening to a cry baby. I remember when Rush made those comments and Donovan came back and said I thought we were past that. As he got older and a little worse he started bringing up (funny it equated to what Rush said just the opposite direction) how he never got a shot from the media because he's black.

He is either bitter or trying to get his name out there because he is irrelevant. Either way just go away Donovan. Your time is gone.

QBREES9 · 07-13-2013, 08:34 AM

McNabb hasn’t earned a microphone. Please take it from him. LOL

MaggieMayTB · 07-13-2013, 01:03 PM

McNabb needs to review tape and with a heavy emphasis on "Black Like Me".

Then start watching "Kelly and Michael"...

Final assignment, learn from Michael Irving's serious preparation for his induction into the HOF.

He should learn his skin color doesn't dictate how people feel about him...
He should learn Michael S is fun to watch because he is a fun guy...try to seriously count all the negative laced comments of Michael.
(lesson - positive attitude and positive interactions)
He should learn from Michael I - you are never to old to change and work on self improvement.

If this all fails, call Tony D for counseling.

Chad (Ocho) learned it from a judge...

My opinion

onebyone · 07-13-2013, 07:17 PM

To be fair, if anyone would know about not earning their contracts, it would be McNabb.

TheOak · 07-14-2013, 06:35 AM

Stafford pay 2013 under rookie contract: 12.5M salary + 4.6 misc bonuses = 17.4M
Stafford pay for 2013 under contract extension: 4M salary + 8.3 misc bonus = 12.3M
5.1 M loss

Stafford pay 2014 under rookie contract: 11M salary + 4.8 misc bonuses = 15.8M
Stafford pay for 2014 under contract extension: 2M salary + 8 misc bonus = 10M

5.8M loss

Stafford pay 2015 under rookie contract: 15M salary + 2.2 misc bonuses = 17.2M
Stafford pay for 2015 under contract extension: 9.5 salary + 2.2 misc bonus = 11.7M

5.5M loss

17M value was lost from his original contract between 2013-2015

SloMotion · 07-14-2013, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Stafford pay 2013 under rookie contract: 12.5M salary + 4.6 misc bonuses = 17.4M
Stafford pay for 2013 under contract extension: 4M salary + 8.3 misc bonus = 12.3M
5.1 M loss

Stafford pay 2014 under rookie contract: 11M salary + 4.8 misc bonuses = 15.8M
Stafford pay for 2014 under contract extension: 2M salary + 8 misc bonus = 10M

5.8M loss

Stafford pay 2015 under rookie contract: 15M salary + 2.2 misc bonuses = 17.2M
Stafford pay for 2015 under contract extension: 9.5 salary + 2.2 misc bonus = 11.7M

5.5M loss

17M value was lost from his original contract between 2013-2015

Yeah, but that's hypothetical money that was recouped under the $27.5mil signing bonus, IMO anyway ... plus he gets another 3yrs in Detroit, which you really can't place a monetary value on,

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These contracts make my head hurt ...

TheOak · 07-14-2013, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Yeah, but that's hypothetical money that was recouped under the $27.5mil signing bonus, IMO anyway ... plus he gets another 3yrs in Detroit, which you really can't place a monetary value on, .

These contracts make my head hurt ...

It's not hypo money, that is real contracted money. You can not count contracted money as hypo unless its based on a requirement other than showing up. His bonuses are counted against this and the cap because they are all "expected to be earned".

I need you to follow this till the end.

With what people think of his skill set and character. Had he finished this contract out, what do you think his 2016 contract would look like? If the 2016 contract "would" look just like this new restructure then the below is true.... If he had winning seasons it would go up.

Combined value of both original contracts is 147.5M if played out.

What he ends up with after the restructure and he plays out the new contract is 115.5M at the end.

The contracting game can be played both ways, and teams usually structure it to get the player to go in the direction they WANT him to go in.

Bree's will be restructured... You think that wont be at a loss somewhere?

SloMotion · 07-14-2013, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

It's not hypo money, that is real contracted money. You can not count contracted money as hypo unless its based on a requirement other than showing up. His bonuses are counted against this and the cap because they are all "expected to be earned".

I need you to follow this till the end.

With what people think of his skill set and character. Had he finished this contract out, what do you think his 2016 contract would look like? If the 2016 contract "would" look just like this new restructure then the below is true.... If he had winning seasons it would go up.

Combined value of both original contracts is 147.5M if played out.

What he ends up with after the restructure and he plays out the new contract is 115.5M at the end.

The contracting game can be played both ways, and teams usually structure it to get the player to go in the direction they WANT him to go in.

Bree's will be restructured... You think that wont be at a loss somewhere?

It's hypothetical because the last two years of that contract were never realized, nor were they intended to be realized. Anything Stafford loses by restructuring his contract to be more cap friendly appears to have been covered by the signing bonus, IMO.

I don't think for one minute his agent, Tom Condon (who has a reputation in these matters), would allow one of his clients to restructure a contract at a loss of $32mil, do you?

07-13-2013, 05:44 AM	#1
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by Mardigras9 WOW, 1-23, now that speaks volumes, that is surprising. Yeah, but the Lions as a whole have a history of struggling to beat teams with better than .500 records, so I don't put that all on Mattford. He's put them in position to win and they've blown it plenty of times. He's also engineered enough 4Qtr comebacks/game-winning drives in the only two complete seasons he's had to be respectable. By no means am I handing him the keys-to-the-kingdom as we oft see the misguided fanbase of another NFC South franchise that trots out "the other Matt" every Sunday, but I'm telling you, Stafford is a 'gamer' and that boy is worth every penny of that contract, . halloween 65 likes this.

07-13-2013, 07:18 AM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by SloMotion Yeah, but the Lions as a whole have a history of struggling to beat teams with better than .500 records, so I don't put that all on Mattford. He's put them in position to win and they've blown it plenty of times. He's also engineered enough 4Qtr comebacks/game-winning drives in the only two complete seasons he's had to be respectable. By no means am I handing him the keys-to-the-kingdom as we oft see the misguided fanbase of another NFC South franchise that trots out "the other Matt" every Sunday, but I'm telling you, Stafford is a 'gamer' and that boy is worth every penny of that contract, . I also like Stafford. I see a lot of game in him, barring injury I think he will be one of the best to play qb. in a long time. It's funny how people hype up the RG3's type players, but I don't think they will have the longevity because of their style of play like Stafford will.

07-13-2013, 07:25 AM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract God it is like listening to a cry baby. I remember when Rush made those comments and Donovan came back and said I thought we were past that. As he got older and a little worse he started bringing up (funny it equated to what Rush said just the opposite direction) how he never got a shot from the media because he's black. He is either bitter or trying to get his name out there because he is irrelevant. Either way just go away Donovan. Your time is gone.

07-13-2013, 08:34 AM	#4
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,990	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract McNabb hasn’t earned a microphone. Please take it from him. LOL

07-13-2013, 01:03 PM	#5
MaggieMayTB Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Franklin, Wisconsin (knee deep in melted cheese sauce) Posts: 615 Blog Entries: 1	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract McNabb needs to review tape and with a heavy emphasis on "Black Like Me". Then start watching "Kelly and Michael"... Final assignment, learn from Michael Irving's serious preparation for his induction into the HOF. He should learn his skin color doesn't dictate how people feel about him... He should learn Michael S is fun to watch because he is a fun guy...try to seriously count all the negative laced comments of Michael. (lesson - positive attitude and positive interactions) He should learn from Michael I - you are never to old to change and work on self improvement. If this all fails, call Tony D for counseling. Chad (Ocho) learned it from a judge... My opinion

07-13-2013, 07:17 PM	#6
onebyone 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 431	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract To be fair, if anyone would know about not earning their contracts, it would be McNabb. SloMotion likes this.
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07-14-2013, 06:35 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Stafford pay 2013 under rookie contract: 12.5M salary + 4.6 misc bonuses = 17.4M Stafford pay for 2013 under contract extension: 4M salary + 8.3 misc bonus = 12.3M 5.1 M loss Stafford pay 2014 under rookie contract: 11M salary + 4.8 misc bonuses = 15.8M Stafford pay for 2014 under contract extension: 2M salary + 8 misc bonus = 10M 5.8M loss Stafford pay 2015 under rookie contract: 15M salary + 2.2 misc bonuses = 17.2M Stafford pay for 2015 under contract extension: 9.5 salary + 2.2 misc bonus = 11.7M 5.5M loss 17M value was lost from his original contract between 2013-2015
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07-14-2013, 06:51 AM	#8
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by TheOak Stafford pay 2013 under rookie contract: 12.5M salary + 4.6 misc bonuses = 17.4M Stafford pay for 2013 under contract extension: 4M salary + 8.3 misc bonus = 12.3M 5.1 M loss Stafford pay 2014 under rookie contract: 11M salary + 4.8 misc bonuses = 15.8M Stafford pay for 2014 under contract extension: 2M salary + 8 misc bonus = 10M 5.8M loss Stafford pay 2015 under rookie contract: 15M salary + 2.2 misc bonuses = 17.2M Stafford pay for 2015 under contract extension: 9.5 salary + 2.2 misc bonus = 11.7M 5.5M loss 17M value was lost from his original contract between 2013-2015 Yeah, but that's hypothetical money that was recouped under the $27.5mil signing bonus, IMO anyway ... plus he gets another 3yrs in Detroit, which you really can't place a monetary value on, . These contracts make my head hurt ...

07-14-2013, 09:22 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by SloMotion Yeah, but that's hypothetical money that was recouped under the $27.5mil signing bonus, IMO anyway ... plus he gets another 3yrs in Detroit, which you really can't place a monetary value on, . These contracts make my head hurt ... It's not hypo money, that is real contracted money. You can not count contracted money as hypo unless its based on a requirement other than showing up. His bonuses are counted against this and the cap because they are all "expected to be earned". I need you to follow this till the end. With what people think of his skill set and character. Had he finished this contract out, what do you think his 2016 contract would look like? If the 2016 contract "would" look just like this new restructure then the below is true.... If he had winning seasons it would go up. Combined value of both original contracts is 147.5M if played out. What he ends up with after the restructure and he plays out the new contract is 115.5M at the end. The contracting game can be played both ways, and teams usually structure it to get the player to go in the direction they WANT him to go in. Bree's will be restructured... You think that wont be at a loss somewhere?
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

07-14-2013, 01:05 PM	#10
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by TheOak It's not hypo money, that is real contracted money. You can not count contracted money as hypo unless its based on a requirement other than showing up. His bonuses are counted against this and the cap because they are all "expected to be earned". I need you to follow this till the end. With what people think of his skill set and character. Had he finished this contract out, what do you think his 2016 contract would look like? If the 2016 contract "would" look just like this new restructure then the below is true.... If he had winning seasons it would go up. Combined value of both original contracts is 147.5M if played out. What he ends up with after the restructure and he plays out the new contract is 115.5M at the end. The contracting game can be played both ways, and teams usually structure it to get the player to go in the direction they WANT him to go in. Bree's will be restructured... You think that wont be at a loss somewhere? It's hypothetical because the last two years of that contract were never realized, nor were they intended to be realized. Anything Stafford loses by restructuring his contract to be more cap friendly appears to have been covered by the signing bonus, IMO. I don't think for one minute his agent, Tom Condon (who has a reputation in these matters), would allow one of his clients to restructure a contract at a loss of $32mil, do you?

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