Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal

|Mitch| · 07-27-2013, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by atltillidie

I'm having an awfully hard time trying to remember when I said 2012 was a SB or bust year.

Shoddy Roddy has been screaming it the past two years; that was directed more towards the team as a whole(fans included).

SloMotion · 07-28-2013, 04:40 AM

All this talk about Ryan when, IMO, Bartowski was the best QB Atlanta ever had and their best shot at a Superbowl was in the late '70s/early '80s ... and that little foray, circa 1998, when they were actually in the building on official business,

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Icomeinpeace · 07-28-2013, 04:28 PM

As a Falcons fan I think his contract was fair and exactly what anyone who doesn't have a better option available to sign or draft should expect to pay...lets be honest, the only QB's in the NFL that we would prefer to have over Ryan are not ever going to become free agents and last year's draft and the QB talent that came out of it is more of an aberration than the norm...it was the best QB class since the Marino, Elway class and there have been exponentially more busts than stars drafted in the first round as QBs...if you have a guy you can't replace you pay him big money.

atltillidie · 07-28-2013, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Icomeinpeace

As a Falcons fan I think his contract was fair and exactly what anyone who doesn't have a better option available to sign or draft should expect to pay...lets be honest, the only QB's in the NFL that we would prefer to have over Ryan are not ever going to become free agents and last year's draft and the QB talent that came out of it is more of an aberration than the norm...it was the best QB class since the Marino, Elway class and there have been exponentially more busts than stars drafted in the first round as QBs...if you have a guy you can't replace you pay him big money.

Agreed, it just doesn't make sense to scrap a top 10 qb because he isn't elite.

Icomeinpeace · 07-28-2013, 04:52 PM

any team that has a QB they can't replace through free agency or draft next year will pay more than we did...its just the nature of the beast imo.

Danno · 07-26-2013, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

Chris XVI,

In his old age, 'King Arthur' seems to have something confused.

He is a "bottom third" QB.

Not the "third best."

We'd better hope the cap goes WAY up.

Because otherwise we've confined ourself to the NFCS cellar.

And don't be surprised if you see JJ11 in another team's jersey.

The Patriots have the cap room and need help.

Being that I'm a lifelong Bama fan and Julio played right down the street from me, and the fact that I was crushed to the bone when the Falcons picked him, I hope you are 100% correct.

Even if its the hated Patriots I'll dance for joy when he leaves the Falcons.

ChrisXVI · 07-26-2013, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

Chris XVI,

In his old age, 'King Arthur' seems to have something confused.

He is a "bottom third" QB.

Not the "third best."

We'd better hope the cap goes WAY up.

Because otherwise we've confined ourself to the NFCS cellar.

And don't be surprised if you see JJ11 in another team's jersey.

The Patriots have the cap room and need help.

Damn... I wouldn't even say that he's a bottom third QB. I guess he does have elite weapons but that's why I was interested in your take. Roddy's probably going to be retired or cut because of age taking its toll before Julio's contract is up as well as other players being gone so I don't think Julio is going anywhere. I think you guys are probably gonna be fine... If there's anything we've learned from Mickey Loomis it's that there are so many ways around salary cap hell LOL.

iceshack149 · 07-28-2013, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

A joke of an owner hires a bigger joke of a GM, who signs the biggest joke of a QB.

Poetic.

Yikes. Sounds like Saints fans- especially in the Aaron Brooks era. Just like those Saints fans of old, you're being a little too harsh. I completely understand the frustration.

Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan

You're getting there.

A simpler way to put it may have been....

"He's not worth it, but what choice do we have?"

That's it exactly. Ryan isn't as bad as you think he is but he's not in the top tier of QB'S for sure. The Falcons don't have a better choice and if they lost Ryan it would set the organization back a few years. He is a good QB. They have a better chance with him than they do with whatever putz they can hope to get in free agency.

That said, the Falcons overpaid and everyone knows it. They were forced to pay him a higher salary because starting over with any other QB would scrap this season.
Also, Gonzalez almost certainly won't be back next year so the Falcons would lose two key players that had a big part of bringing the team a 13-3 season.

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Funny to see Falcon fans arguing amongst themselves and on a Saints board nonetheless...

I'm enjoying their perspectives. It's part of why this board is so great.

07-27-2013, 09:42 PM	#1
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by atltillidie I'm having an awfully hard time trying to remember when I said 2012 was a SB or bust year. Shoddy Roddy has been screaming it the past two years; that was directed more towards the team as a whole(fans included).

07-28-2013, 04:40 AM	#2
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal All this talk about Ryan when, IMO, Bartowski was the best QB Atlanta ever had and their best shot at a Superbowl was in the late '70s/early '80s ... and that little foray, circa 1998, when they were actually in the building on official business, .

07-28-2013, 04:28 PM	#3
Icomeinpeace Rookie Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 9	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal As a Falcons fan I think his contract was fair and exactly what anyone who doesn't have a better option available to sign or draft should expect to pay...lets be honest, the only QB's in the NFL that we would prefer to have over Ryan are not ever going to become free agents and last year's draft and the QB talent that came out of it is more of an aberration than the norm...it was the best QB class since the Marino, Elway class and there have been exponentially more busts than stars drafted in the first round as QBs...if you have a guy you can't replace you pay him big money. atltillidie likes this.
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07-28-2013, 06:34 PM	#4
atltillidie 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 432	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by Icomeinpeace As a Falcons fan I think his contract was fair and exactly what anyone who doesn't have a better option available to sign or draft should expect to pay...lets be honest, the only QB's in the NFL that we would prefer to have over Ryan are not ever going to become free agents and last year's draft and the QB talent that came out of it is more of an aberration than the norm...it was the best QB class since the Marino, Elway class and there have been exponentially more busts than stars drafted in the first round as QBs...if you have a guy you can't replace you pay him big money. Agreed, it just doesn't make sense to scrap a top 10 qb because he isn't elite.

07-28-2013, 04:52 PM	#5
Icomeinpeace Rookie Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 9	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal any team that has a QB they can't replace through free agency or draft next year will pay more than we did...its just the nature of the beast imo.
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07-26-2013, 06:03 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan Chris XVI, In his old age, 'King Arthur' seems to have something confused. He is a "bottom third" QB. Not the "third best." We'd better hope the cap goes WAY up. Because otherwise we've confined ourself to the NFCS cellar. And don't be surprised if you see JJ11 in another team's jersey. The Patriots have the cap room and need help. Being that I'm a lifelong Bama fan and Julio played right down the street from me, and the fact that I was crushed to the bone when the Falcons picked him, I hope you are 100% correct. Even if its the hated Patriots I'll dance for joy when he leaves the Falcons. K Major likes this.

07-26-2013, 07:33 PM	#7
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan Chris XVI, In his old age, 'King Arthur' seems to have something confused. He is a "bottom third" QB. Not the "third best." We'd better hope the cap goes WAY up. Because otherwise we've confined ourself to the NFCS cellar. And don't be surprised if you see JJ11 in another team's jersey. The Patriots have the cap room and need help. Damn... I wouldn't even say that he's a bottom third QB. I guess he does have elite weapons but that's why I was interested in your take. Roddy's probably going to be retired or cut because of age taking its toll before Julio's contract is up as well as other players being gone so I don't think Julio is going anywhere. I think you guys are probably gonna be fine... If there's anything we've learned from Mickey Loomis it's that there are so many ways around salary cap hell LOL.

07-28-2013, 08:53 PM	#8
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,359 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Falcons and Ryan agree to new deal Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan A joke of an owner hires a bigger joke of a GM, who signs the biggest joke of a QB. Poetic. Yikes. Sounds like Saints fans- especially in the Aaron Brooks era. Just like those Saints fans of old, you're being a little too harsh. I completely understand the frustration. Originally Posted by Spot on Dtan You're getting there. A simpler way to put it may have been.... "He's not worth it, but what choice do we have?" That's it exactly. Ryan isn't as bad as you think he is but he's not in the top tier of QB'S for sure. The Falcons don't have a better choice and if they lost Ryan it would set the organization back a few years. He is a good QB. They have a better chance with him than they do with whatever putz they can hope to get in free agency. That said, the Falcons overpaid and everyone knows it. They were forced to pay him a higher salary because starting over with any other QB would scrap this season. Also, Gonzalez almost certainly won't be back next year so the Falcons would lose two key players that had a big part of bringing the team a 13-3 season. Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Funny to see Falcon fans arguing amongst themselves and on a Saints board nonetheless... I'm enjoying their perspectives. It's part of why this board is so great. SloMotion likes this.
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