Simms, Dungy say they will not use term 'Redskins' this season

AsylumGuido · 08-22-2014, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

And I agree with you. Yet, why not extend the same courtesy to Native Americans we extend Jewish and African Americans? Because the other alternative, the "unslurring" of such words as kike, ******, chink, spic, etc. that's not going to happen any time soon. Either all or none the asterisks

You are correct. Why not extended the courtesy to the Native Americans as all but a very, teeny, tiny minority have no problem with the Washington Redskins name at all. Who are we as Whites, Blacks, Asians or Hispanics to tell them what is offensive to them? The ONLY Native Americans that do have an issue belong to a small, politically extremist tribe, the Oneida Indian Nation.

Are you aware that there are currently 62 high schools using the name Redskins and a number of them are located on Indian reservations? None of those Native American schools are changing their nickname.

AsylumGuido · 08-22-2014, 12:27 PM

How many of you have asked a Native American if they are offended by the Redskins' use of the nickname? I have many times over the past couple of decades since this farce was first raised. I have never been told by a single one of them that they found it in the least offensive and many said that they felt like it honored their heritage. This was consistent from South Dakota through Wyoming, Arizona, Nevada, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida and Louisiana. A large percentage of them told me they were fans of the team BECAUSE of the nickname.

It is home for the Spokane Tribe of Indians, and for 107 years, the Wellpinit High School mascot name has been Redskins.

Red Mesa High Redskins on the Navajo Reservation in Arizona.

Tobias-Reiper · 08-22-2014, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Please understand one thing about my views, I do not recognize hyphenated Americans. One very small example of why is that it is used incorrectly and ignorantly. When Theresa Heinz Kerry said she was African-American the black community was up in arms because she was white. Africa is a country, not a race. She was born in Maputo Mozambique and also qualifies for all scholarships designated for African-Americans.

On your reply and Why? Two separate reasons.

1. You can't selectively protect the groups you want to protect. You protect all or none. See below how it applies to your question.

2. Jewish is an ethnoreligious group and not a race, people from Israel are Israelites, or Israelis. Protect one religion and you have to protect them ALL. Including Pastafarians <--- you open the gates for people to start making things up and since it's based on belief or feeling you can't disprove it.

There are 4 races:
1) Mongoloid.
2) Caucasoid.
3) Negroid.
4) Australoid

The Klan and White Supremacists are groups also, do you want to extend legislation to protect them from being offended? I don't.

We are now full circle back to protecting 7Bn opinions. Everyone has one and they all vary.

The reason you can not unslur those words is because you cannot legislate culture. Personally I find chewing food with the mouth open offensive, any scholarship based wholly or partially on race/creed/ or ethnic background offensive. There is no needed for legislation to effect either. If someone wants to eat like an animal, let them. If a bigot of any race wants to use their money to support their race, it's their business. If a private Country Club is all white or a Black Miss America pageant is all black, so be it. It may seem I have wandered off topic but I haven't, in a misguided effort to remove racial barriers there can't morally be any all white but all black is acceptable and promoted. That my friend is not equality.

I must be old.. when I went to school, we only had 3 races and 9 planets

Jewish is not a race, sure; maybe I should've gone with spic or chink; but I didn't bring it up because it was a race per se, rather a word that is offensive to the owner of the Washington Redskins, and because they are one of the more protected ethno-religious groups (yet, "Jew" is mostly associated with Semite/Israeli/Hebrew/etc, but let's not get that granular).

Again, I mostly agree with you; but then you do go into tangents and slippery slope arguments.. "pastafarians'? Really?

And I am not being "selective"... maybe we don't have video of the fate of Native Americans like we have of Auschwitz and Greensboro, but I think they deserve equal treatment as the other groups that are afforded the courtesy of not throwing certain words at them.

08-22-2014, 12:11 PM	#21
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Sims and Dungy won't say Redskins in games Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper And I agree with you. Yet, why not extend the same courtesy to Native Americans we extend Jewish and African Americans? Because the other alternative, the "unslurring" of such words as kike, ******, chink, spic, etc. that's not going to happen any time soon. Either all or none the asterisks You are correct. Why not extended the courtesy to the Native Americans as all but a very, teeny, tiny minority have no problem with the Washington Redskins name at all. Who are we as Whites, Blacks, Asians or Hispanics to tell them what is offensive to them? The ONLY Native Americans that do have an issue belong to a small, politically extremist tribe, the Oneida Indian Nation. Are you aware that there are currently 62 high schools using the name Redskins and a number of them are located on Indian reservations? None of those Native American schools are changing their nickname.

08-22-2014, 12:27 PM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Simms, Dungy say they will not use term 'Redskins' this season How many of you have asked a Native American if they are offended by the Redskins' use of the nickname? I have many times over the past couple of decades since this farce was first raised. I have never been told by a single one of them that they found it in the least offensive and many said that they felt like it honored their heritage. This was consistent from South Dakota through Wyoming, Arizona, Nevada, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida and Louisiana. A large percentage of them told me they were fans of the team BECAUSE of the nickname. It is home for the Spokane Tribe of Indians, and for 107 years, the Wellpinit High School mascot name has been Redskins. Red Mesa High Redskins on the Navajo Reservation in Arizona.
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08-22-2014, 01:32 PM	#23
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Sims and Dungy won't say Redskins in games Originally Posted by TheOak Please understand one thing about my views, I do not recognize hyphenated Americans. One very small example of why is that it is used incorrectly and ignorantly. When Theresa Heinz Kerry said she was African-American the black community was up in arms because she was white. Africa is a country, not a race. She was born in Maputo Mozambique and also qualifies for all scholarships designated for African-Americans. On your reply and Why? Two separate reasons. 1. You can't selectively protect the groups you want to protect. You protect all or none. See below how it applies to your question. 2. Jewish is an ethnoreligious group and not a race, people from Israel are Israelites, or Israelis. Protect one religion and you have to protect them ALL. Including Pastafarians <--- you open the gates for people to start making things up and since it's based on belief or feeling you can't disprove it. There are 4 races: 1) Mongoloid. 2) Caucasoid. 3) Negroid. 4) Australoid The Klan and White Supremacists are groups also, do you want to extend legislation to protect them from being offended? I don't. We are now full circle back to protecting 7Bn opinions. Everyone has one and they all vary. The reason you can not unslur those words is because you cannot legislate culture. Personally I find chewing food with the mouth open offensive, any scholarship based wholly or partially on race/creed/ or ethnic background offensive. There is no needed for legislation to effect either. If someone wants to eat like an animal, let them. If a bigot of any race wants to use their money to support their race, it's their business. If a private Country Club is all white or a Black Miss America pageant is all black, so be it. It may seem I have wandered off topic but I haven't, in a misguided effort to remove racial barriers there can't morally be any all white but all black is acceptable and promoted. That my friend is not equality. I must be old.. when I went to school, we only had 3 races and 9 planets Jewish is not a race, sure; maybe I should've gone with spic or chink; but I didn't bring it up because it was a race per se, rather a word that is offensive to the owner of the Washington Redskins, and because they are one of the more protected ethno-religious groups (yet, "Jew" is mostly associated with Semite/Israeli/Hebrew/etc, but let's not get that granular). Again, I mostly agree with you; but then you do go into tangents and slippery slope arguments.. "pastafarians'? Really? And I am not being "selective"... maybe we don't have video of the fate of Native Americans like we have of Auschwitz and Greensboro, but I think they deserve equal treatment as the other groups that are afforded the courtesy of not throwing certain words at them.
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