Rams cut the gay guy

TheOak · 08-31-2014, 09:25 AM

As I read down the comments I was fairly shocked by some of the defensive comments.

If ESPN, the NFL, and Opera can headline 'gay guy drafted', how does that differ from Danno's 'gay guy cut' headline.

For the record I am defending the NFL, ESPN, and Opera. Danno is just a copycat.

On Barry from MS comment - I don't think any aversion by franchises to Sam is because he is gay. A lot of teams do not care for a player that is more distraction than talent. He is a defensive version of Manziel.

I stand by be original statement from the day he came out. His sexual orientation is moot, had he gone through this on the pure merit of his talent he would have had a a much fairer evaluation.

Barry from MS · 08-31-2014, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

...However, some will conclude it was simply because he is an openly gay man. Sad. You know this is inevitable. Hopefully Sam has the dignity and grace not to make this claim himself. But some talking head will claim this as a fact.

Originally Posted by TheOak

...On Barry from MS comment - I don't think any aversion by franchises to Sam is because he is gay. A lot of teams do not care for a player that is more distraction than talent. He is a defensive version of Manziel.

To be clear, I was not talking about an NFL team in my comment. I was alluding to speculative "journalism" outside of football coming to the conclusion that he was cut for being openly gay.

I honestly don't feel any NFL team will pass on a man that can contribute to their pass-rush and make plays on defense. Maybe it's me being naive, but the bottom line of NFL teams is to win NFL games regardless of the sexual orientation of any of their players.

If a hunter-orange transsexual man with brown polka dots and 2 husbands can help win NFL football games, I highly doubt a team would pass on this NFL-caliber football player.

TheOak · 09-01-2014, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

To be clear, I was not talking about an NFL team in my comment. I was alluding to speculative "journalism" outside of football coming to the conclusion that he was cut for being openly gay.

I honestly don't feel any NFL team will pass on a man that can contribute to their pass-rush and make plays on defense. Maybe it's me being naive, but the bottom line of NFL teams is to win NFL games regardless of the sexual orientation of any of their players.

If a hunter-orange transsexual man with brown polka dots and 2 husbands can help win NFL football games, I highly doubt a team would pass on this NFL-caliber football player.

Precisely my point...

They would not pass on a talent that would make them a better team because of his sexuality, but an overwhelming majority would pass on a A&M QB loaded with drama and questionable character.

Hunter-orange tranny gets the jersey over Chad Ocho-Cinco by at least 2/3 of the league.

Now how it's framed by the public is an entirely different discussion.

Barry from MS · 09-01-2014, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Precisely my point... They would not pass on a talent that would make them a better team because of his sexuality, but an overwhelming majority would pass on a A&M QB loaded with drama and questionable character.

And I think now it's pretty clear why an overwhelming majority passed on that A&M QB drafted by Cleveland as he couldn't beat out Hoyer through training camp and the preseason. Also, I certainly appears now that Manziel was a product of that offensive system down at A&M. And here's my algebraic theorem to prove that:

A&M Offense + Johnny Manziel = 1989 U. of Houston offense + Andre Ware
A&M Offense + Kenny Hill = 1990 U. of Houston offense + David Klingler

The current A&M offense has become the equivalent of the U. of Houston's offense in the late 80's/early 90's. This should keep our fan base sourly against wanting to pick up Johnny Whatever later down the road and for wanting to draft Kenny Hill when that inevitable question pops in a year or 2. Wow...complete tangent...not erasing it; can't erase that true brilliance of mine

And I am so glad we "came out" amicably on our Sam discussion. If he keeps working hard to get better, he can definitely be a solid option on someone's defensive line in a year. If we weren't so deep a defensive line, I wouldn't might at all giving him a shot here to give us quality d-line depth.

saintsfan1976 · 08-31-2014, 09:37 AM

My comments on previous threads were sarcastic as well. Some can't handle it I guess.

I'm tired of all the social prefixes and the people who buy into it all. Gay, Black, whatever..... Seems we have let others dictate for us what we should think and feel about people.

TheOak · 08-31-2014, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

My comments on previous threads were sarcastic as well. Some can't handle it I guess.

I'm tired of all the social prefixes and the people who buy into it all. Gay, Black, whatever..... Seems we have let others dictate for us what we should think and feel about people.

I'm not going to tell you how you must feel about the depth of irony involved in telling someone how they should feel about someone else's feelings. :P

Utah_Saint · 08-31-2014, 01:03 PM

That's too bad.

It's not over for him though, someone else might pick him up.

He still might live his dream of rushing into Colin Kaepernick's backfield.

K Major · 08-31-2014, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

That's too bad.

It's not over for him though, someone else might pick him up.

No team has yet to claim him on waivers. Could be headed to a practice squad.

NOS2SB · 08-31-2014, 02:04 PM

He still holds the position of Wide Receiver for life.

rezburna · 08-31-2014, 04:09 PM

He looks like he can be a good player.

08-31-2014, 09:25 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Rams cut the gay guy As I read down the comments I was fairly shocked by some of the defensive comments. If ESPN, the NFL, and Opera can headline 'gay guy drafted', how does that differ from Danno's 'gay guy cut' headline. For the record I am defending the NFL, ESPN, and Opera. Danno is just a copycat. On Barry from MS comment - I don't think any aversion by franchises to Sam is because he is gay. A lot of teams do not care for a player that is more distraction than talent. He is a defensive version of Manziel. I stand by be original statement from the day he came out. His sexual orientation is moot, had he gone through this on the pure merit of his talent he would have had a a much fairer evaluation.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau Last edited by TheOak; 08-31-2014 at 09:33 AM..

08-31-2014, 02:34 PM	#2
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Rams cut the gay guy Originally Posted by Barry from MS ...However, some will conclude it was simply because he is an openly gay man. Sad. You know this is inevitable. Hopefully Sam has the dignity and grace not to make this claim himself. But some talking head will claim this as a fact. Originally Posted by TheOak ...On Barry from MS comment - I don't think any aversion by franchises to Sam is because he is gay. A lot of teams do not care for a player that is more distraction than talent. He is a defensive version of Manziel. To be clear, I was not talking about an NFL team in my comment. I was alluding to speculative "journalism" outside of football coming to the conclusion that he was cut for being openly gay. I honestly don't feel any NFL team will pass on a man that can contribute to their pass-rush and make plays on defense. Maybe it's me being naive, but the bottom line of NFL teams is to win NFL games regardless of the sexual orientation of any of their players. If a hunter-orange transsexual man with brown polka dots and 2 husbands can help win NFL football games, I highly doubt a team would pass on this NFL-caliber football player.
	"I'd far rather be happy than right any day" ~ Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy "Honor: if you need it defined, you don't have it" ~ Ron Swanson

09-01-2014, 08:09 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Rams cut the gay guy Originally Posted by Barry from MS To be clear, I was not talking about an NFL team in my comment. I was alluding to speculative "journalism" outside of football coming to the conclusion that he was cut for being openly gay. I honestly don't feel any NFL team will pass on a man that can contribute to their pass-rush and make plays on defense. Maybe it's me being naive, but the bottom line of NFL teams is to win NFL games regardless of the sexual orientation of any of their players. If a hunter-orange transsexual man with brown polka dots and 2 husbands can help win NFL football games, I highly doubt a team would pass on this NFL-caliber football player. Precisely my point... They would not pass on a talent that would make them a better team because of his sexuality, but an overwhelming majority would pass on a A&M QB loaded with drama and questionable character. Hunter-orange tranny gets the jersey over Chad Ocho-Cinco by at least 2/3 of the league. Now how it's framed by the public is an entirely different discussion.

09-01-2014, 11:32 AM	#4
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Rams cut the gay guy Originally Posted by TheOak Precisely my point... They would not pass on a talent that would make them a better team because of his sexuality, but an overwhelming majority would pass on a A&M QB loaded with drama and questionable character. And I think now it's pretty clear why an overwhelming majority passed on that A&M QB drafted by Cleveland as he couldn't beat out Hoyer through training camp and the preseason. Also, I certainly appears now that Manziel was a product of that offensive system down at A&M. And here's my algebraic theorem to prove that: A&M Offense + Johnny Manziel = 1989 U. of Houston offense + Andre Ware A&M Offense + Kenny Hill = 1990 U. of Houston offense + David Klingler The current A&M offense has become the equivalent of the U. of Houston's offense in the late 80's/early 90's. This should keep our fan base sourly against wanting to pick up Johnny Whatever later down the road and for wanting to draft Kenny Hill when that inevitable question pops in a year or 2. Wow...complete tangent...not erasing it; can't erase that true brilliance of mine And I am so glad we "came out" amicably on our Sam discussion. If he keeps working hard to get better, he can definitely be a solid option on someone's defensive line in a year. If we weren't so deep a defensive line, I wouldn't might at all giving him a shot here to give us quality d-line depth.
	"I'd far rather be happy than right any day" ~ Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy "Honor: if you need it defined, you don't have it" ~ Ron Swanson

08-31-2014, 09:37 AM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,996 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Rams cut the gay guy My comments on previous threads were sarcastic as well. Some can't handle it I guess. I'm tired of all the social prefixes and the people who buy into it all. Gay, Black, whatever..... Seems we have let others dictate for us what we should think and feel about people.

08-31-2014, 09:46 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Rams cut the gay guy Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 My comments on previous threads were sarcastic as well. Some can't handle it I guess. I'm tired of all the social prefixes and the people who buy into it all. Gay, Black, whatever..... Seems we have let others dictate for us what we should think and feel about people. I'm not going to tell you how you must feel about the depth of irony involved in telling someone how they should feel about someone else's feelings. :P

08-31-2014, 01:03 PM	#7
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Rams cut the gay guy That's too bad. It's not over for him though, someone else might pick him up. He still might live his dream of rushing into Colin Kaepernick's backfield. spkb25 likes this.

08-31-2014, 02:31 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,801 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Rams cut the gay guy Originally Posted by Utah_Saint That's too bad. It's not over for him though, someone else might pick him up. No team has yet to claim him on waivers. Could be headed to a practice squad.

08-31-2014, 02:04 PM	#9
NOS2SB Shampoo Join Date: May 2011 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 454	Re: Rams cut the gay guy He still holds the position of Wide Receiver for life.

08-31-2014, 04:09 PM	#10
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