Colin Kaepernick-discuss

Lord_Saint83 · 08-29-2016, 08:07 PM

As a former serviceman from a whole family were my father served and both grandfathers served. I don't agree with him not standing but that's his right as an american to express himself however wrong it maybe. Radical groups like the klan and black panthers speak ignorantly and its wrong but thats their right as an american to do so as long as its not harming people. When it crosses to hurting people than its a problem. I just tune out ignorant people instead of being hurt by things people say that i don't agree with.

RailBoss · 08-29-2016, 10:07 PM

Next stop the CFL for Mr. Disrespect pack your bags.
Hard to believe this kid grew up hard knocks.

neugey · 08-29-2016, 10:16 PM

60 some years ago, Jackie Robertson stood firm on a ball field and put his hand on his heart during the anthem, knowing for the next few hours that the US flag would be darn near his only ally in the face of constant mockery and discrimination while simply playing a game. I'm sure each night that Jackie, despite the ongoing bigotry, hoped and dreamed that the principles of equality would in time win out, so that we as a country could get to a point where an athlete is judged by his ability and his grace, not by his race or creed.

At a sporting event, observing the flag is not an act of patriotic servitude. It is an act of recognition for all those that came before you and showed tremendous character and defied the odds for our common benefit. They came from all walks of life and stood for independence. Thus, you can stand for the fellow spectators and players who adhere to one common principle that we are still trying to get better at - that all men are created equal and are equally deserving of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Many fellow Americans, myself among them, have definitive grievances about the corrupt direction of this country and the irreparable harm that is being done to our families and communities, in so many areas. For persons with opened eyes who are observing the problems that Colin cited, it isn't supposed to be easy to stand for your country and observe the flag and feel like it's totally the right thing to be doing. It requires both class and reflection.

44Champs · 08-29-2016, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

All you that see how offensive it is that he don't stand for the anthem, just think about all those black families that lost their loves ones to brutal killing by police officers and George Zimmerman for being found innocent for Trayvon Martin death. Yes close your eyes or justify the lost of those lives. If you notice not one black person is burning a jersey or speaking out publicly. Americans black & white gave their lives in order for us to have freedom of protest and yes standing for the anthem is a sign of respect to our fallen heroes but sitting to protest is Kap freedom to protest. PEOPLE be careful how you attack Kap before this turnout very huge and blacks come to his defense

What the hell does this have to do with being unpatriotic? What about white families that lose love ones to murders caused by Blacks? What about Whites being murdered by Whites? What about Blacks being murdered by Blacks? Is there only outrage when a black person is killed by white? How Hypocritical!! We have a Black President now and Blacks have as much opportunity now as Whites, so to say that you are being oppressed by your skin color is total BS. BTW, I'm not white, and I've never felt oppressed or discriminated against because I REFUSE to let my skin color or ethnicity define who I am as a person. If you use discrimination or oppression as an excuse, than you are living with a Victim Mentality. With all the opportunity and money that Kap has, he's an IDIOT for living with that kind of mentality. I'd like to tell him to quit being a p***y and Get over it!!

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OldMaid · 08-30-2016, 12:11 AM

South Carolina high school bans American flags from football game - CBSSports.com

Crazy.

burningmetal · 08-30-2016, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

All you that see how offensive it is that he don't stand for the anthem, just think about all those black families that lost their loves ones to brutal killing by police officers and George Zimmerman for being found innocent for Trayvon Martin death. Yes close your eyes or justify the lost of those lives. If you notice not one black person is burning a jersey or speaking out publicly. Americans black & white gave their lives in order for us to have freedom of protest and yes standing for the anthem is a sign of respect to our fallen heroes but sitting to protest is Kap freedom to protest. PEOPLE be careful how you attack Kap before this turnout very huge and blacks come to his defense

This kind of comment is a huge part of what's wrong with America. People like me and others around here keep talking about how the media is spreading propaganda about "racism". And people just eat it up.

Your comment illustrates that. George Zimmerman was not convicted. There was no evidence to support that he wasn't defending himself, just as he said. Now, you're free to disagree with that outcome, but you are judging without knowledge. You are automatically taking the the kid's side because he was black, and you assume that Zimmerman is a racist.

The same thing has happened over and over with these stories coming out. You have KNOWN CRIMINALS who have been killed by police, who say they were defending themselves. The evidence doesn't refute their claims. This goes on every day. It has nothing to do with race. But suddenly, it's a problem.

Are there crimes committed with prejudice? Yeah. And it comes from people of every color. But this idea that racism is rampant and every time a black person dies it's because of racism, you are just playing the victim. You know how many white people die at the hands of either a white or black person everyday? No, you don't. You won't hear about, and you won't go looking for that information, because it wouldn't support your theory.

YOU come off as racist by assuming that every death of a black person is racially motivated. Maybe you are racist, maybe you're not. But that's what it looks like, and that's what's causing all this tension. The propaganda, the people who fall for it, and now you have police being shot at because people like you "think" that other cops have committed murder. Not to say that there aren't corrupt cops. But there are a LOT more corrupt people who are bringing this on themselves.

skymike · 08-30-2016, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think the NFL has the right to suspend him indefinitely, if they can punish a player for criticizing officials or racist comments, they can certainly suspend this moron for comments detrimental to the nfl brand.

The nfl is s private company and should be able to discipline accordingly.
Suspend his ass immediately. I'll applaud the decision loudly

This is where people get hung up on the "Right to say it/ Free Speech."
The NFL is not the Government. It is a business. The government cannot tell you what to say, but a business certainly can. His statement
is not only offensive, and false, but he is endorsing anti-police sentiment, which, from someone with the influence of an NFL star, effectively
makes their jobs more dangerous.

44Champs · 08-30-2016, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

This kind of comment is a huge part of what's wrong with America. People like me and others around here keep talking about how the media is spreading propaganda about "racism". And people just eat it up.

Your comment illustrates that. George Zimmerman was not convicted. There was no evidence to support that he wasn't defending himself, just as he said. Now, you're free to disagree with that outcome, but you are judging without knowledge. You are automatically taking the the kid's side because he was black, and you assume that Zimmerman is a racist.

The same thing has happened over and over with these stories coming out. You have KNOWN CRIMINALS who have been killed by police, who say they were defending themselves. The evidence doesn't refute their claims. This goes on every day. It has nothing to do with race. But suddenly, it's a problem.

Are there crimes committed with prejudice? Yeah. And it comes from people of every color. But this idea that racism is rampant and every time a black person dies it's because of racism, you are just playing the victim. You know how many white people die at the hands of either a white or black person everyday? No, you don't. You won't hear about, and you won't go looking for that information, because it wouldn't support your theory.

YOU come off as racist by assuming that every death of a black person is racially motivated. Maybe you are racist, maybe you're not. But that's what it looks like, and that's what's causing all this tension. The propaganda, the people who fall for it, and now you have police being shot at because people like you "think" that other cops have committed murder. Not to say that there aren't corrupt cops. But there are a LOT more corrupt people who are bringing this on themselves.

How can I like this comment more than once?

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Beastmode · 08-30-2016, 12:30 AM

Chris Jackson for LSU and later NBA use to do it I believe. I served 20 years in the military and do not care.

nola_swammi · 08-30-2016, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

What the hell does this have to do with being unpatriotic? What about white families that lose love ones to murders caused by Blacks? What about Whites being murdered by Whites? What about Blacks being murdered by Blacks? Is there only outrage when a black person is killed by white? How Hypocritical!! We have a Black President now and Blacks have as much opportunity now as Whites, so to say that you are being oppressed by your skin color is total BS. BTW, I'm not white, and I've never felt oppressed or discriminated against because I REFUSE to let my skin color or ethnicity define who I am as a person. If you use discrimination or oppression as an excuse, than you are living with a Victim Mentality. With all the opportunity and money that Kap has, he'd an IDIOT for living with that kind of mentality. Get over it!

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I never said anything about being unpatriotic. The opportunities for whites are greater that's a fact. When you have predominantly blacks that live in a town and majority of the officers are white, fact. When you have the NFL that predominantly black players you have not one owner that's black, fact. Now I am not saying blacks don't have any opportunity but the door is wide open if you're white. Kap, have as much right as any other individual to protest that don't mean you have to agree. People quick to make an uproar and feel insulted by him not standing up, how the f*** you think I feel when I see my brothers and sisters being beaten, murdered with no sense of f****** justice. I could care less what race you are as a person that should tick you off if someone with a badge can walk up to you disregard your rights. How did you feel about O.J. Being set free?

08-29-2016, 08:07 PM	#31
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss As a former serviceman from a whole family were my father served and both grandfathers served. I don't agree with him not standing but that's his right as an american to express himself however wrong it maybe. Radical groups like the klan and black panthers speak ignorantly and its wrong but thats their right as an american to do so as long as its not harming people. When it crosses to hurting people than its a problem. I just tune out ignorant people instead of being hurt by things people say that i don't agree with. nola_swammi and QBREES9 like this.

08-29-2016, 10:07 PM	#32
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Next stop the CFL for Mr. Disrespect pack your bags. Hard to believe this kid grew up hard knocks.

08-29-2016, 10:16 PM	#33
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss 60 some years ago, Jackie Robertson stood firm on a ball field and put his hand on his heart during the anthem, knowing for the next few hours that the US flag would be darn near his only ally in the face of constant mockery and discrimination while simply playing a game. I'm sure each night that Jackie, despite the ongoing bigotry, hoped and dreamed that the principles of equality would in time win out, so that we as a country could get to a point where an athlete is judged by his ability and his grace, not by his race or creed. At a sporting event, observing the flag is not an act of patriotic servitude. It is an act of recognition for all those that came before you and showed tremendous character and defied the odds for our common benefit. They came from all walks of life and stood for independence. Thus, you can stand for the fellow spectators and players who adhere to one common principle that we are still trying to get better at - that all men are created equal and are equally deserving of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Many fellow Americans, myself among them, have definitive grievances about the corrupt direction of this country and the irreparable harm that is being done to our families and communities, in so many areas. For persons with opened eyes who are observing the problems that Colin cited, it isn't supposed to be easy to stand for your country and observe the flag and feel like it's totally the right thing to be doing. It requires both class and reflection.
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08-29-2016, 11:08 PM	#34
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by nola_swammi All you that see how offensive it is that he don't stand for the anthem, just think about all those black families that lost their loves ones to brutal killing by police officers and George Zimmerman for being found innocent for Trayvon Martin death. Yes close your eyes or justify the lost of those lives. If you notice not one black person is burning a jersey or speaking out publicly. Americans black & white gave their lives in order for us to have freedom of protest and yes standing for the anthem is a sign of respect to our fallen heroes but sitting to protest is Kap freedom to protest. PEOPLE be careful how you attack Kap before this turnout very huge and blacks come to his defense What the hell does this have to do with being unpatriotic? What about white families that lose love ones to murders caused by Blacks? What about Whites being murdered by Whites? What about Blacks being murdered by Blacks? Is there only outrage when a black person is killed by white? How Hypocritical!! We have a Black President now and Blacks have as much opportunity now as Whites, so to say that you are being oppressed by your skin color is total BS. BTW, I'm not white, and I've never felt oppressed or discriminated against because I REFUSE to let my skin color or ethnicity define who I am as a person. If you use discrimination or oppression as an excuse, than you are living with a Victim Mentality. With all the opportunity and money that Kap has, he's an IDIOT for living with that kind of mentality. I'd like to tell him to quit being a p***y and Get over it!! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk burningmetal likes this.
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08-30-2016, 12:11 AM	#35
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08-30-2016, 12:11 AM	#36
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by nola_swammi All you that see how offensive it is that he don't stand for the anthem, just think about all those black families that lost their loves ones to brutal killing by police officers and George Zimmerman for being found innocent for Trayvon Martin death. Yes close your eyes or justify the lost of those lives. If you notice not one black person is burning a jersey or speaking out publicly. Americans black & white gave their lives in order for us to have freedom of protest and yes standing for the anthem is a sign of respect to our fallen heroes but sitting to protest is Kap freedom to protest. PEOPLE be careful how you attack Kap before this turnout very huge and blacks come to his defense This kind of comment is a huge part of what's wrong with America. People like me and others around here keep talking about how the media is spreading propaganda about "racism". And people just eat it up. Your comment illustrates that. George Zimmerman was not convicted. There was no evidence to support that he wasn't defending himself, just as he said. Now, you're free to disagree with that outcome, but you are judging without knowledge. You are automatically taking the the kid's side because he was black, and you assume that Zimmerman is a racist. The same thing has happened over and over with these stories coming out. You have KNOWN CRIMINALS who have been killed by police, who say they were defending themselves. The evidence doesn't refute their claims. This goes on every day. It has nothing to do with race. But suddenly, it's a problem. Are there crimes committed with prejudice? Yeah. And it comes from people of every color. But this idea that racism is rampant and every time a black person dies it's because of racism, you are just playing the victim. You know how many white people die at the hands of either a white or black person everyday? No, you don't. You won't hear about, and you won't go looking for that information, because it wouldn't support your theory. YOU come off as racist by assuming that every death of a black person is racially motivated. Maybe you are racist, maybe you're not. But that's what it looks like, and that's what's causing all this tension. The propaganda, the people who fall for it, and now you have police being shot at because people like you "think" that other cops have committed murder. Not to say that there aren't corrupt cops. But there are a LOT more corrupt people who are bringing this on themselves. skymike and 44Champs like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

08-30-2016, 12:19 AM	#37
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by Danno I think the NFL has the right to suspend him indefinitely, if they can punish a player for criticizing officials or racist comments, they can certainly suspend this moron for comments detrimental to the nfl brand. The nfl is s private company and should be able to discipline accordingly. Suspend his ass immediately. I'll applaud the decision loudly This is where people get hung up on the "Right to say it/ Free Speech." The NFL is not the Government. It is a business. The government cannot tell you what to say, but a business certainly can. His statement is not only offensive, and false, but he is endorsing anti-police sentiment, which, from someone with the influence of an NFL star, effectively makes their jobs more dangerous. Beastmode, 44Champs and burningmetal like this.

08-30-2016, 12:25 AM	#38
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by burningmetal This kind of comment is a huge part of what's wrong with America. People like me and others around here keep talking about how the media is spreading propaganda about "racism". And people just eat it up. Your comment illustrates that. George Zimmerman was not convicted. There was no evidence to support that he wasn't defending himself, just as he said. Now, you're free to disagree with that outcome, but you are judging without knowledge. You are automatically taking the the kid's side because he was black, and you assume that Zimmerman is a racist. The same thing has happened over and over with these stories coming out. You have KNOWN CRIMINALS who have been killed by police, who say they were defending themselves. The evidence doesn't refute their claims. This goes on every day. It has nothing to do with race. But suddenly, it's a problem. Are there crimes committed with prejudice? Yeah. And it comes from people of every color. But this idea that racism is rampant and every time a black person dies it's because of racism, you are just playing the victim. You know how many white people die at the hands of either a white or black person everyday? No, you don't. You won't hear about, and you won't go looking for that information, because it wouldn't support your theory. YOU come off as racist by assuming that every death of a black person is racially motivated. Maybe you are racist, maybe you're not. But that's what it looks like, and that's what's causing all this tension. The propaganda, the people who fall for it, and now you have police being shot at because people like you "think" that other cops have committed murder. Not to say that there aren't corrupt cops. But there are a LOT more corrupt people who are bringing this on themselves. How can I like this comment more than once? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
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08-30-2016, 12:30 AM	#39
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08-30-2016, 12:38 AM	#40
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by 44Champs What the hell does this have to do with being unpatriotic? What about white families that lose love ones to murders caused by Blacks? What about Whites being murdered by Whites? What about Blacks being murdered by Blacks? Is there only outrage when a black person is killed by white? How Hypocritical!! We have a Black President now and Blacks have as much opportunity now as Whites, so to say that you are being oppressed by your skin color is total BS. BTW, I'm not white, and I've never felt oppressed or discriminated against because I REFUSE to let my skin color or ethnicity define who I am as a person. If you use discrimination or oppression as an excuse, than you are living with a Victim Mentality. With all the opportunity and money that Kap has, he'd an IDIOT for living with that kind of mentality. Get over it! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk I never said anything about being unpatriotic. The opportunities for whites are greater that's a fact. When you have predominantly blacks that live in a town and majority of the officers are white, fact. When you have the NFL that predominantly black players you have not one owner that's black, fact. Now I am not saying blacks don't have any opportunity but the door is wide open if you're white. Kap, have as much right as any other individual to protest that don't mean you have to agree. People quick to make an uproar and feel insulted by him not standing up, how the f* you think I feel when I see my brothers and sisters being beaten, murdered with no sense of f**** justice. I could care less what race you are as a person that should tick you off if someone with a badge can walk up to you disregard your rights. How did you feel about O.J. Being set free?

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