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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; Originally Posted by vpheughan Stupid statement but not as STUPID as Tom Brookshier's in 1983 Brookshier became the subject of controversy in 1983 because of a remark he made during an NFL broadcast of an Eagles–Saints game on December 11. ...

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Old 12-05-2019, 09:24 AM   #1
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Re: 49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments

Originally Posted by vpheughan View Post
Stupid statement but not as STUPID as Tom Brookshier's in 1983

Brookshier became the subject of controversy in 1983 because of a remark he made during an NFL broadcast of an Eagles–Saints game on December 11. After a program note for an upcoming telecast of an NCAA men's basketball game between North Carolina State and Louisville, Brookshier said that the players on the Louisville team had "a collective I.Q. of about 40, but they can play basketball." Given a chance to walk back the statement by partner Charlie Waters, Brookshier doubled down, saying "it's the truth."

That STUPID remark got him suspended for the last week of the 1983 season by CBS.

In 1983 the remark earned a one game suspension.
Today the remark would have ended his broadcasting career.

Have "WE" Progressed or Regressed?
That depends on what you mean. Are you asking if people have learned not to say stupid things, or are you asking if people have learned to be less offended by what people say?

If you're asking the former, I think examples like the one you gave have been the exception to the rule since well before 1983. For all I know, maybe the players on that basketball team WERE really dumb. But I have no particular reason to make that assumption, and neither did he. But some people don't know how to think before they speak.

In terms of how society has learned to deal with comments like that? We've CLEARLY regressed. People take everything personally, even if it isn't something stupid. They just find a way to be offended.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 12-05-2019, 09:33 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
That depends on what you mean. Are you asking if people have learned not to say stupid things, or are you asking if people have learned to be less offended by what people say?

If you're asking the former, I think examples like the one you gave have been the exception to the rule since well before 1983. For all I know, maybe the players on that basketball team WERE really dumb. But I have no particular reason to make that assumption, and neither did he. But some people don't know how to think before they speak.

In terms of how society has learned to deal with comments like that? We've CLEARLY regressed. People take everything personally, even if it isn't something stupid. They just find a way to be offended.
Disagree. Society now has more mediums and platforms to voice their displeasure. This myth that the boomer generation and those before it were rarely offended has to stop.
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Old 12-05-2019, 10:13 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by rezburna View Post
Disagree. Society now has more mediums and platforms to voice their displeasure. This myth that the boomer generation and those before it were rarely offended has to stop.
Having more mediums to voice one's displeasure has nothing to do with the question of whether or not people are more sensitive today.

And no one said the "boomer" generation was "never" offended. But for you to suggest that people's reactions today are even remotely similar is beyond absurd.

How many protests have you heard about from, say, the 80's? Did people get fired from their jobs because they said something that was politically incorrect? There are other ways to gauge the attitude of society, outside of the internet. The fact that you seem to have forgotten that, is one reason why we got to this point. People have largely forgotten how to think, without the internet telling them how to think.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Having more mediums to voice one's displeasure has nothing to do with the question of whether or not people are more sensitive today.

And no one said the "boomer" generation was "never" offended. But for you to suggest that people's reactions today are even remotely similar is beyond absurd.

How many protests have you heard about from, say, the 80's? Did people get fired from their jobs because they said something that was politically incorrect? There are other ways to gauge the attitude of society, outside of the internet. The fact that you seem to have forgotten that, is one reason why we got to this point. People have largely forgotten how to think, without the internet telling them how to think.
The fact that I know how to critically think leads me to ask you why you would single out the 1980’s. Could it be that there were plenty in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, and 90’s so the finger gets pointed at the 80’s as the shining example of “insensitivity”? I doubt that with the war on drugs and the AIDS epidemic taking place. Two of the biggest protests in American history occurred in the 1980’s. They protested against gangsta rap in the late 80’s and early 90’s. And with social media, it’s far easier to organize a protest and create organizations that span across state lines.

Also, people not getting fired from their jobs isn’t an indication of individuals being less sensitive back then. Those who felt oppressed were just more voiceless and lacked power. It was harder to put pressure on an individual or company because your only outlets were the news or newspaper. We can publicize **** instantly now. The Black community always felt this way. The LGBTQQ community always felt this way. Women have always felt this way. Are there outliers who go above and beyond? Sure. But people have always felt a certain way and it fell on deaf ears.

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Originally Posted by rezburna View Post
The fact that I know how to critically think leads me to ask you why you would single out the 1980’s. Could it be that there were plenty in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, and 90’s so the finger gets pointed at the 80’s as the shining example of “insensitivity”? I doubt that with the war on drugs and the AIDS epidemic taking place. Two of the biggest protests in American history occurred in the 1980’s. They protested against gangsta rap in the late 80’s and early 90’s. And with social media, it’s far easier to organize a protest and create organizations that span across state lines.

Also, people not getting fired from their jobs isn’t an indication of individuals being less sensitive back then. Those who felt oppressed were just more voiceless and lacked power. It was harder to put pressure on an individual or company because your only outlets were the news or newspaper. We can publicize **** instantly now. The Black community always felt this way. The LGBTQQ community always felt this way. Women have always felt this way. Are there outliers who go above and beyond? Sure. But people have always felt a certain way and it fell on deaf ears.
I didn't "single out" the 80's, it was a "for instance" since another poster asked if we've progressed or regressed since some guy in '83 made a dumb comment. Since you began your post by patting yourself on the back as being a critical thinker, I would have thought you could have made that connection on your own.

But, go ahead, pick any decade. What you'll notice is a steady regression. In the 30's, 40's, 50's and 60's there were wars going on. War always brings protesting from a certain segment of the population. But were they showing up at the doorstep of a person, or business, because someone said something that wasn't worded perfectly politically correct? No. It took something significant to get people up in a frenzy. Martin Luther King lead his masses in protest, but it was peaceful, and it was a real cause. It wasn't about being offended.

Fast forward to today, and EVERYTHING is a big deal. What you say about the internet making it easier to organize things is true. I'll give you that. The internet makes everything louder. But your assertion that people are somehow more empowered now to speak up, is pure conjecture. History has shown, that when people had a cause that was important to them, they spoke up, no matter how easy it was or wasn't to organize people, and without regard to the dangers involved. And the fact of the matter is, people simply didn't have the time of day to be worried about such trivial things as what ignites the mob today.

The internet, and it's readily available MIS-information, coupled with a LACK of critical thought by people today has reduced adults to a pack of angry pre-teens.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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