49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments

WhoDat!656 · 12-04-2019, 06:45 PM

Stupid comment; never liked him anyway.

"He's really good at that fake, Lamar Jackson, but when you consider his dark skin color with a dark football with a dark uniform, you could not see that thing," Ryan said of Jackson's success running a zone-read attack, per The San Francisco Chronicle. "I mean you literally could not see when he was in and out of the mesh point and if you're a half step slow on him in terms of your vision forget about it, he's out of the gate."

49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments - NFL.com

Crusader · 12-05-2019, 04:56 AM

Actually I don't get it. Why did he get suspended and what was offensive?

From my Point of view, Jackson has a quite dark skin color, I'm Scandinavian so simply in comparison to myself. I don't understand how pointing that out would be inappropriate. There will be a difference in contrast/visibility of the football and the skin of the athlete, thats just natural. If it has any effect on the game, that's a completely different story.

burningmetal · 12-05-2019, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Actually I don't get it. Why did he get suspended and what was offensive?

From my Point of view, Jackson has a quite dark skin color, I'm Scandinavian so simply in comparison to myself. I don't understand how pointing that out would be inappropriate. There will be a difference in contrast/visibility of the football and the skin of the athlete, thats just natural. If it has any effect on the game, that's a completely different story.

Welcome to the American Speech Police class. First lesson: Everything is offensive.

Congratulations! You've completed the course! Now, shhh... Keep your voice down, someone's feelings might get hurt.

But seriously, I'll say this about it. He comes off sounding a little dumb, because it's not like this is the first black QB to run a zone-read. For that matter, most players who touch the ball are going to be black. Not many white dude's carrying the ball. So yeah, his skin color might make it harder to find the ball, technically speaking, but not to the point that I think it makes a huge difference. It was just kind of a silly thing to say, in my opinion.

But to suspend him over it? That's the speech police at it again.

jeanpierre · 12-05-2019, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Actually I don't get it. Why did he get suspended and what was offensive?

From my Point of view, Jackson has a quite dark skin color, I'm Scandinavian so simply in comparison to myself. I don't understand how pointing that out would be inappropriate. There will be a difference in contrast/visibility of the football and the skin of the athlete, thats just natural. If it has any effect on the game, that's a completely different story.

Context. That's what got the guy suspended, pending investigation. And he may have legitimately meant no harm, but this Nation is hypersensitive about language right now...

But as a professional broadcaster, he's held to a higher standard therefore facing the consequences of being careless. Maybe he thought as a Nation we'd mature, if so, his calculus would be wrong...

Thirty-five years ago, a joke about a San Fran streaker, the religious extreme would've had their pound of flesh as well. Advertisers are scared of the unknown, and right now it's others holding that bag of tricks...

Personally, my issue is with censorship and drilling someone over one comment when there's a breadth of history where the announcer hasn't done this before. Too me, that's the real danger to our Republic...

Crusader · 12-05-2019, 08:11 AM

The whole thing, as stated above, is silly.
I hear you about the sensitivity but its still a little crazy to me. I would understand it if he used a slur, then I would be all about suspending him but now, I don't know...

rezburna · 12-05-2019, 08:19 AM

He should know better. It wasn’t even a valid point. There’s a clear difference in contrast between the ball, LJ, and his uniform. Where did he even get the information to come to such a conclusion? Did the players tell him this or did he just assume? Again, dumb. They’ll put him in cultural sensitivity training and he’ll be back broadcasting again. His “punishment” is being overblown though. Next story.

vpheughan · 12-05-2019, 09:09 AM

Stupid statement but not as STUPID as Tom Brookshier's in 1983

Brookshier became the subject of controversy in 1983 because of a remark he made during an NFL broadcast of an Eagles–Saints game on December 11. After a program note for an upcoming telecast of an NCAA men's basketball game between North Carolina State and Louisville, Brookshier said that the players on the Louisville team had "a collective I.Q. of about 40, but they can play basketball." Given a chance to walk back the statement by partner Charlie Waters, Brookshier doubled down, saying "it's the truth."

That STUPID remark got him suspended for the last week of the 1983 season by CBS.

In 1983 the remark earned a one game suspension.
Today the remark would have ended his broadcasting career.

Have "WE" Progressed or Regressed?

burningmetal · 12-05-2019, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Stupid statement but not as STUPID as Tom Brookshier's in 1983

Brookshier became the subject of controversy in 1983 because of a remark he made during an NFL broadcast of an Eagles–Saints game on December 11. After a program note for an upcoming telecast of an NCAA men's basketball game between North Carolina State and Louisville, Brookshier said that the players on the Louisville team had "a collective I.Q. of about 40, but they can play basketball." Given a chance to walk back the statement by partner Charlie Waters, Brookshier doubled down, saying "it's the truth."

That STUPID remark got him suspended for the last week of the 1983 season by CBS.

In 1983 the remark earned a one game suspension.
Today the remark would have ended his broadcasting career.

Have "WE" Progressed or Regressed?

That depends on what you mean. Are you asking if people have learned not to say stupid things, or are you asking if people have learned to be less offended by what people say?

If you're asking the former, I think examples like the one you gave have been the exception to the rule since well before 1983. For all I know, maybe the players on that basketball team WERE really dumb. But I have no particular reason to make that assumption, and neither did he. But some people don't know how to think before they speak.

In terms of how society has learned to deal with comments like that? We've CLEARLY regressed. People take everything personally, even if it isn't something stupid. They just find a way to be offended.

rezburna · 12-05-2019, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

That depends on what you mean. Are you asking if people have learned not to say stupid things, or are you asking if people have learned to be less offended by what people say?

If you're asking the former, I think examples like the one you gave have been the exception to the rule since well before 1983. For all I know, maybe the players on that basketball team WERE really dumb. But I have no particular reason to make that assumption, and neither did he. But some people don't know how to think before they speak.

In terms of how society has learned to deal with comments like that? We've CLEARLY regressed. People take everything personally, even if it isn't something stupid. They just find a way to be offended.

Disagree. Society now has more mediums and platforms to voice their displeasure. This myth that the boomer generation and those before it were rarely offended has to stop.

burningmetal · 12-05-2019, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Disagree. Society now has more mediums and platforms to voice their displeasure. This myth that the boomer generation and those before it were rarely offended has to stop.

Having more mediums to voice one's displeasure has nothing to do with the question of whether or not people are more sensitive today.

And no one said the "boomer" generation was "never" offended. But for you to suggest that people's reactions today are even remotely similar is beyond absurd.

How many protests have you heard about from, say, the 80's? Did people get fired from their jobs because they said something that was politically incorrect? There are other ways to gauge the attitude of society, outside of the internet. The fact that you seem to have forgotten that, is one reason why we got to this point. People have largely forgotten how to think, without the internet telling them how to think.

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,001	49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments Stupid comment; never liked him anyway. "He's really good at that fake, Lamar Jackson, but when you consider his dark skin color with a dark football with a dark uniform, you could not see that thing," Ryan said of Jackson's success running a zone-read attack, per The San Francisco Chronicle. "I mean you literally could not see when he was in and out of the mesh point and if you're a half step slow on him in terms of your vision forget about it, he's out of the gate." 49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments - NFL.com OldMaid likes this.
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12-05-2019, 06:25 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments Originally Posted by Crusader Actually I don't get it. Why did he get suspended and what was offensive? From my Point of view, Jackson has a quite dark skin color, I'm Scandinavian so simply in comparison to myself. I don't understand how pointing that out would be inappropriate. There will be a difference in contrast/visibility of the football and the skin of the athlete, thats just natural. If it has any effect on the game, that's a completely different story. Welcome to the American Speech Police class. First lesson: Everything is offensive. Congratulations! You've completed the course! Now, shhh... Keep your voice down, someone's feelings might get hurt. But seriously, I'll say this about it. He comes off sounding a little dumb, because it's not like this is the first black QB to run a zone-read. For that matter, most players who touch the ball are going to be black. Not many white dude's carrying the ball. So yeah, his skin color might make it harder to find the ball, technically speaking, but not to the point that I think it makes a huge difference. It was just kind of a silly thing to say, in my opinion. But to suspend him over it? That's the speech police at it again. neugey, SmashMouth and jeanpierre like this.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments Originally Posted by Crusader Actually I don't get it. Why did he get suspended and what was offensive? From my Point of view, Jackson has a quite dark skin color, I'm Scandinavian so simply in comparison to myself. I don't understand how pointing that out would be inappropriate. There will be a difference in contrast/visibility of the football and the skin of the athlete, thats just natural. If it has any effect on the game, that's a completely different story. Context. That's what got the guy suspended, pending investigation. And he may have legitimately meant no harm, but this Nation is hypersensitive about language right now... But as a professional broadcaster, he's held to a higher standard therefore facing the consequences of being careless. Maybe he thought as a Nation we'd mature, if so, his calculus would be wrong... Thirty-five years ago, a joke about a San Fran streaker, the religious extreme would've had their pound of flesh as well. Advertisers are scared of the unknown, and right now it's others holding that bag of tricks... Personally, my issue is with censorship and drilling someone over one comment when there's a breadth of history where the announcer hasn't done this before. Too me, that's the real danger to our Republic... SmashMouth likes this.
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Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,983	Re: 49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments The whole thing, as stated above, is silly. I hear you about the sensitivity but its still a little crazy to me. I would understand it if he used a slur, then I would be all about suspending him but now, I don't know...

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12-05-2019, 08:19 AM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: 49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments He should know better. It wasn’t even a valid point. There’s a clear difference in contrast between the ball, LJ, and his uniform. Where did he even get the information to come to such a conclusion? Did the players tell him this or did he just assume? Again, dumb. They’ll put him in cultural sensitivity training and he’ll be back broadcasting again. His “punishment” is being overblown though. Next story.

12-05-2019, 09:09 AM	#7
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,499	Re: 49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments Stupid statement but not as STUPID as Tom Brookshier's in 1983 Brookshier became the subject of controversy in 1983 because of a remark he made during an NFL broadcast of an Eagles–Saints game on December 11. After a program note for an upcoming telecast of an NCAA men's basketball game between North Carolina State and Louisville, Brookshier said that the players on the Louisville team had "a collective I.Q. of about 40, but they can play basketball." Given a chance to walk back the statement by partner Charlie Waters, Brookshier doubled down, saying "it's the truth." That STUPID remark got him suspended for the last week of the 1983 season by CBS. In 1983 the remark earned a one game suspension. Today the remark would have ended his broadcasting career. Have "WE" Progressed or Regressed?
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12-05-2019, 09:24 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments Originally Posted by vpheughan Stupid statement but not as STUPID as Tom Brookshier's in 1983 Brookshier became the subject of controversy in 1983 because of a remark he made during an NFL broadcast of an Eagles–Saints game on December 11. After a program note for an upcoming telecast of an NCAA men's basketball game between North Carolina State and Louisville, Brookshier said that the players on the Louisville team had "a collective I.Q. of about 40, but they can play basketball." Given a chance to walk back the statement by partner Charlie Waters, Brookshier doubled down, saying "it's the truth." That STUPID remark got him suspended for the last week of the 1983 season by CBS. In 1983 the remark earned a one game suspension. Today the remark would have ended his broadcasting career. Have "WE" Progressed or Regressed? That depends on what you mean. Are you asking if people have learned not to say stupid things, or are you asking if people have learned to be less offended by what people say? If you're asking the former, I think examples like the one you gave have been the exception to the rule since well before 1983. For all I know, maybe the players on that basketball team WERE really dumb. But I have no particular reason to make that assumption, and neither did he. But some people don't know how to think before they speak. In terms of how society has learned to deal with comments like that? We've CLEARLY regressed. People take everything personally, even if it isn't something stupid. They just find a way to be offended.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

12-05-2019, 09:33 AM	#9
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: 49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments Originally Posted by burningmetal That depends on what you mean. Are you asking if people have learned not to say stupid things, or are you asking if people have learned to be less offended by what people say? If you're asking the former, I think examples like the one you gave have been the exception to the rule since well before 1983. For all I know, maybe the players on that basketball team WERE really dumb. But I have no particular reason to make that assumption, and neither did he. But some people don't know how to think before they speak. In terms of how society has learned to deal with comments like that? We've CLEARLY regressed. People take everything personally, even if it isn't something stupid. They just find a way to be offended. Disagree. Society now has more mediums and platforms to voice their displeasure. This myth that the boomer generation and those before it were rarely offended has to stop.

12-05-2019, 10:13 AM	#10
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 49ers suspend broadcaster over Lamar Jackson comments Originally Posted by rezburna Disagree. Society now has more mediums and platforms to voice their displeasure. This myth that the boomer generation and those before it were rarely offended has to stop. Having more mediums to voice one's displeasure has nothing to do with the question of whether or not people are more sensitive today. And no one said the "boomer" generation was "never" offended. But for you to suggest that people's reactions today are even remotely similar is beyond absurd. How many protests have you heard about from, say, the 80's? Did people get fired from their jobs because they said something that was politically incorrect? There are other ways to gauge the attitude of society, outside of the internet. The fact that you seem to have forgotten that, is one reason why we got to this point. People have largely forgotten how to think, without the internet telling them how to think.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.