Saints turn it over 4 times in season-ending loss to Bucs. 'That's not winning football' | Luke Johnson

jeanpierre · 01-18-2021, 06:38 AM

dizzle88 · 01-18-2021, 06:41 AM

Jared is more disappointing than Coby Fleener was.

When I saw him catch that and the defender in the trail position, I knew he would fumble.

Guy needs to go, along with Anzalone too.

jeanpierre · 01-18-2021, 07:07 AM

Halo · 01-18-2021, 07:18 AM

When Cook dropped the ball holding it like a loaf of Bunny bread, my dad and I looked at each other and said, "it's over."

I don't know how a talented team like the Saints with depth at every position can underperform like this. I look at Sean Payton and I see a man who has been getting out coached and out prepared in the playoffs since 2010 - the year after we won it all. It's 2021.

saintsfan1976 · 01-18-2021, 07:28 AM

When the offense couldn't finish after Deonte basically put them in the red zone, I knew it would be a long night...

The offensive line had it's issues. 3rd down defense was not up to par. Anzlaone was targeted often and couldn't make plays in coverage. Yes, turnovers ultimately were too much for an aged Drew Brees to overcome but he didn't have much help.

Kudos to Malcolm Jenkins and Marshon Lattimore. They brought it tonight.

Where was 13? Where was 94?

vpheughan · 01-18-2021, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

When the offense couldn't finish after Deonte basically put them in the red zone, I knew it would be a long night...

The offensive line had it's issues. 3rd down defense was not up to par. Anzlaone was targeted often and couldn't make plays in coverage. Yes, turnovers ultimately were too much for an aged Drew Brees to overcome but he didn't have much help.

Kudos to Malcolm Jenkins and Marshon Lattimore. They brought it tonight.

Where was 13? Where was 94?

Brees QB rating last night: 38.1!!!

iceshack149 · 01-18-2021, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

When the offense couldn't finish after Deonte basically put them in the red zone, I knew it would be a long night...

The offensive line had it's issues. 3rd down defense was not up to par. Anzlaone was targeted often and couldn't make plays in coverage. Yes, turnovers ultimately were too much for an aged Drew Brees to overcome but he didn't have much help.

Kudos to Malcolm Jenkins and Marshon Lattimore. They brought it tonight.

Where was 13? Where was 94?

Or freaking 92? Where was the D-line in general? They should've gotten more pressure against Tampa's O-line.

Rsanders24 · 01-18-2021, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Or freaking 92? Where was the D-line in general? They should've gotten more pressure against Tampa's O-line.

Davenport caused the only sack of the game on a stunt. Clearly, he was not the problem. I will say that the media bashed the Bucs O-line so bad after the last game that they came out with fire and drive to. It let it happen again.

This list was on the entire offense. The longest play of the day, excluding the trick play was a 17 yard run by AK. That shows that offensively we did not get the ball down field.

You can’t win with turnovers and only completing 54% of your passes, especially playing short ball. It worked when he was completing +70% of those passes. We average more yard per carry than we did per pass....let that sink in.

This was not on the defense or anyone else but the offense.

gosaints1 · 01-18-2021, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

Davenport caused the only sack of the game on a stunt. Clearly, he was not the problem. I will say that the media bashed the Bucs O-line so bad after the last game that they came out with fire and drive to. It let it happen again.

This list was on the entire offense. The longest play of the day, excluding the trick play was a 17 yard run by AK. That shows that offensively we did not get the ball down field.

You can’t win with turnovers and only completing 54% of your passes, especially playing short ball. It worked when he was completing +70% of those passes. We average more yard per carry than we did per pass....let that sink in.

This was not on the defense or anyone else but the offense.

Agreed. But..., Turnovers, oof. I saw a stat somewhere that said playoff teams with a -4 ratio were 1-59 in those respective games.

Rsanders24 · 01-18-2021, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Agreed. But..., Turnovers, oof. I saw a stat somewhere that said playoff teams with a -4 ratio were 1-59 in those respective games.

You are not going to win any game with a -4 turnover margin. Especially when giving the ball to your opponent within your own territory. We could not capitalize on the great field position given to us by special teams. No excuse that the 4 best plays you have can’t get a TD in that scenario with the size and talent we have on offense.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints turn it over 4 times in season-ending loss to Bucs. 'That's not winning football' \| Luke Johnson When the offense couldn't finish after Deonte basically put them in the red zone, I knew it would be a long night... The offensive line had it's issues. 3rd down defense was not up to par. Anzlaone was targeted often and couldn't make plays in coverage. Yes, turnovers ultimately were too much for an aged Drew Brees to overcome but he didn't have much help. Kudos to Malcolm Jenkins and Marshon Lattimore. They brought it tonight. Where was 13? Where was 94? iceshack149, mapcow and K Major like this.

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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,543	Re: Saints turn it over 4 times in season-ending loss to Bucs. 'That's not winning football' \| Luke Johnson Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 When the offense couldn't finish after Deonte basically put them in the red zone, I knew it would be a long night... The offensive line had it's issues. 3rd down defense was not up to par. Anzlaone was targeted often and couldn't make plays in coverage. Yes, turnovers ultimately were too much for an aged Drew Brees to overcome but he didn't have much help. Kudos to Malcolm Jenkins and Marshon Lattimore. They brought it tonight. Where was 13? Where was 94? Brees QB rating last night: 38.1!!!
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iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,334 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints turn it over 4 times in season-ending loss to Bucs. 'That's not winning football' \| Luke Johnson Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 When the offense couldn't finish after Deonte basically put them in the red zone, I knew it would be a long night... The offensive line had it's issues. 3rd down defense was not up to par. Anzlaone was targeted often and couldn't make plays in coverage. Yes, turnovers ultimately were too much for an aged Drew Brees to overcome but he didn't have much help. Kudos to Malcolm Jenkins and Marshon Lattimore. They brought it tonight. Where was 13? Where was 94? Or freaking 92? Where was the D-line in general? They should've gotten more pressure against Tampa's O-line. gosaints1 likes this.

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Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Saints turn it over 4 times in season-ending loss to Bucs. 'That's not winning football' \| Luke Johnson Originally Posted by iceshack149 Or freaking 92? Where was the D-line in general? They should've gotten more pressure against Tampa's O-line. Davenport caused the only sack of the game on a stunt. Clearly, he was not the problem. I will say that the media bashed the Bucs O-line so bad after the last game that they came out with fire and drive to. It let it happen again. This list was on the entire offense. The longest play of the day, excluding the trick play was a 17 yard run by AK. That shows that offensively we did not get the ball down field. You can’t win with turnovers and only completing 54% of your passes, especially playing short ball. It worked when he was completing +70% of those passes. We average more yard per carry than we did per pass....let that sink in. This was not on the defense or anyone else but the offense. gosaints1 likes this.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Saints turn it over 4 times in season-ending loss to Bucs. 'That's not winning football' \| Luke Johnson Originally Posted by Rsanders24 Davenport caused the only sack of the game on a stunt. Clearly, he was not the problem. I will say that the media bashed the Bucs O-line so bad after the last game that they came out with fire and drive to. It let it happen again. This list was on the entire offense. The longest play of the day, excluding the trick play was a 17 yard run by AK. That shows that offensively we did not get the ball down field. You can’t win with turnovers and only completing 54% of your passes, especially playing short ball. It worked when he was completing +70% of those passes. We average more yard per carry than we did per pass....let that sink in. This was not on the defense or anyone else but the offense. Agreed. But..., Turnovers, oof. I saw a stat somewhere that said playoff teams with a -4 ratio were 1-59 in those respective games. Rsanders24 likes this.
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Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Saints turn it over 4 times in season-ending loss to Bucs. 'That's not winning football' \| Luke Johnson Originally Posted by gosaints1 Agreed. But..., Turnovers, oof. I saw a stat somewhere that said playoff teams with a -4 ratio were 1-59 in those respective games. You are not going to win any game with a -4 turnover margin. Especially when giving the ball to your opponent within your own territory. We could not capitalize on the great field position given to us by special teams. No excuse that the 4 best plays you have can’t get a TD in that scenario with the size and talent we have on offense.