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I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by hitta I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Of course He shouldn't command more respect in these situations than the GM himself, the headcoach/coaches,etc. Still a QB knows what he feels comfortable with and these are ...

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Old 01-20-2021, 09:48 AM   #1
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Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson

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I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Of course He shouldn't command more respect in these situations than the GM himself, the headcoach/coaches,etc. Still a QB knows what he feels comfortable with and these are things the GM should at least look into before making decisions which affect the QB. A good QB has an intuitive feel of the offense, how it matches up against defenses, what players offer to the offense against these defenses etc. I mean teams trust a QB enough to make decisions on the field, audible into particular things and completely change what they are doing based on how they feel about the particular situation they are put in. To know the particular situation they are in they have to know the team. Not giving the QB some input on who is hired is like saying "I dont' trust you", and to do this to a guy like Deshaun Watson is ridiculous. If you think Brees has never had discussions about what would help the team,etc with Loomis or Payton you are kidding yourself.

Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. Having a tall stocky guy that can run a 4.1 40 and throw the ball down the field 100 yards with Olympic archery quality accuracy doesn't hurt. Also what about Deshaun Watson screams poor decision making.
You may have misread what I said or do not understand why Watson is upset but in case you didnt I will make this easy. You should look up what an NFL General Manager's job responsibility is. No a QB should never have a say in who the next GM is.. Ever. If Drew Brees comes back next year and Mickey Loomis is replaced in the off season Drew will have no say in who replaces Loomis. On what planet do employees participate in the hiring of executive management?

If you are saying that a franchise QB should have a voice in what the General Manager does in regards to player selection, which is what your reads as, then I agree. To say that a QB has a say in who the next GM is is absurd and doesn't happen anywhere.

One knows football the other knows contracts, Cap, and negotiations.

A Head Coach hiring maybe but that's it.
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Old 01-20-2021, 10:45 AM   #2
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Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson

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You may have misread what I said or do not understand why Watson is upset but in case you didnt I will make this easy. You should look up what an NFL General Manager's job responsibility is. No a QB should never have a say in who the next GM is.. Ever. If Drew Brees comes back next year and Mickey Loomis is replaced in the off season Drew will have no say in who replaces Loomis. On what planet do employees participate in the hiring of executive management?

If you are saying that a franchise QB should have a voice in what the General Manager does in regards to player selection, which is what your reads as, then I agree. To say that a QB has a say in who the next GM is is absurd and doesn't happen anywhere.

One knows football the other knows contracts, Cap, and negotiations.

A Head Coach hiring maybe but that's it.
I agree with you..., they shouldn’t. But the Texans owner did assure Watson back in December that the QB would indeed have a voice in the hiring processes of both the new GM and the coaches. So, basically the owner lied, deliberately, to Deshaun.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/...ick-caserio%2F

So, You’re right; imho player’s, even franchise players, shouldn’t be involved in the hiring of a GM. But when you give your word, and immediately go back on it, it proves you as deceitful, a liar, and not someone the player’s should trust. Heck, if I were an owner, I wouldn’t allow it, but if I gave my word, my assurances to the player’s, I would honor that commitment.
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Old 01-20-2021, 11:53 AM   #3
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Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson

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I agree with you..., they shouldn’t. But the Texans owner did assure Watson back in December that the QB would indeed have a voice in the hiring processes of both the new GM and the coaches. So, basically the owner lied, deliberately, to Deshaun.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/...ick-caserio%2F

So, You’re right; imho player’s, even franchise players, shouldn’t be involved in the hiring of a GM. But when you give your word, and immediately go back on it, it proves you as deceitful, a liar, and not someone the player’s should trust. Heck, if I were an owner, I wouldn’t allow it, but if I gave my word, my assurances to the player’s, I would honor that commitment.
Janice McNair is worth $3.9B, that’s what they do.. exploit gullibility. all of them.

I have lived in Houston for 11 years now , the Texans have always been a sh1tshow. Bon was no better than Janice. When people say a franchise wasted a players career, the Texans is always what enters my mind.

This is why athletes don’t have much of a say in high level discussions, it’s not that they can’t be trusted it’s that they don’t have the experience to provide value and be productive. They are a risk, heck players don’t even head their own union. I’m not Tillman Fertitta but I’ve participated in discussions and negotiations for contracts over $125M... it’s a dance and you take nothing for face value. Watson believing McNair doesn’t speak to McNair’s character, it speaks to Watsons gullibility. If it’s not in black and white with a signature it’s meaningless to those guys.

Those owners did not amass their fortunes with transparency and honesty, not a single one of them.

Desean Watson is 25 years old with a degree in Communication.
We all think of our selves as intelligent but honestly.. what skill sets do we have that would allow us to vet Loomis on contract negotiations and Cap management. Everyone says he works magic, no one says what he does is simple. I’m not a magician. Sorry I got started and couldn’t stop lol.

Tl:dr

What value does Desean Watson think he will contribute to the hiring process of an executive that will be charged with cap management and contract negotiations?

A lot of people were upset that we had an assistant coach doing a one hour interview during a playoff week... a QB of a 4-12 team should be focused on an executive management hiring lol. He should be saying no to that
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Old 01-20-2021, 12:55 PM   #4
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Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson

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Janice McNair is worth $3.9B, that’s what they do.. exploit gullibility. all of them.

I have lived in Houston for 11 years now , the Texans have always been a sh1tshow. Bon was no better than Janice. When people say a franchise wasted a players career, the Texans is always what enters my mind.

This is why athletes don’t have much of a say in high level discussions, it’s not that they can’t be trusted it’s that they don’t have the experience to provide value and be productive. They are a risk, heck players don’t even head their own union. I’m not Tillman Fertitta but I’ve participated in discussions and negotiations for contracts over $125M... it’s a dance and you take nothing for face value. Watson believing McNair doesn’t speak to McNair’s character, it speaks to Watsons gullibility. If it’s not in black and white with a signature it’s meaningless to those guys.

Those owners did not amass their fortunes with transparency and honesty, not a single one of them.

Desean Watson is 25 years old with a degree in Communication.
We all think of our selves as intelligent but honestly.. what skill sets do we have that would allow us to vet Loomis on contract negotiations and Cap management. Everyone says he works magic, no one says what he does is simple. I’m not a magician. Sorry I got started and couldn’t stop lol.

Tl:dr

What value does Desean Watson think he will contribute to the hiring process of an executive that will be charged with cap management and contract negotiations?

A lot of people were upset that we had an assistant coach doing a one hour interview during a playoff week... a QB of a 4-12 team should be focused on an executive management hiring lol. He should be saying no to that
Fully understand, and agree. Which brings it back to trust, right? That new contract he just signed was deliberately built on restoring a “culture” that is more player friendly, that was the “value” he provided, or wanted to. One that was player friendly. Guess that didn’t work out, lol. Regardless players aren’t some subservient, bound by contract, shut up and play entity. They have powers also. Don’t believe me? Look at what happened to this locker room and management during preseason.
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Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson

Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
Janice McNair is worth $3.9B, that’s what they do.. exploit gullibility. all of them.

I have lived in Houston for 11 years now , the Texans have always been a sh1tshow. Bon was no better than Janice. When people say a franchise wasted a players career, the Texans is always what enters my mind.

This is why athletes don’t have much of a say in high level discussions, it’s not that they can’t be trusted it’s that they don’t have the experience to provide value and be productive. They are a risk, heck players don’t even head their own union. I’m not Tillman Fertitta but I’ve participated in discussions and negotiations for contracts over $125M... it’s a dance and you take nothing for face value. Watson believing McNair doesn’t speak to McNair’s character, it speaks to Watsons gullibility. If it’s not in black and white with a signature it’s meaningless to those guys.

Those owners did not amass their fortunes with transparency and honesty, not a single one of them.

Desean Watson is 25 years old with a degree in Communication.
We all think of our selves as intelligent but honestly.. what skill sets do we have that would allow us to vet Loomis on contract negotiations and Cap management. Everyone says he works magic, no one says what he does is simple. I’m not a magician. Sorry I got started and couldn’t stop lol.

Tl:dr

What value does Desean Watson think he will contribute to the hiring process of an executive that will be charged with cap management and contract negotiations?

A lot of people were upset that we had an assistant coach doing a one hour interview during a playoff week... a QB of a 4-12 team should be focused on an executive management hiring lol. He should be saying no to that
Unfortunately none of that means anything. There are consequences for every decision. If you lie to the face of your franchise player and just try to explain it away later as "just business" or "I made my fortune lying to people just like I lied to you. It's nothing personal" then you can't be mad later if it creates bad blood between you and said player.

Whether the texans were smart enough to know this ahead of time is debatable but either way it back fired on them and this is the result. Being gullible has consequences. So does being deceitful.
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