I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson

hitta · 01-20-2021, 01:14 AM

I know we don't have a lot of cap space or whatever, but anything we can possibly do to get him, we do. I don't care if we have to give up key players to do so. We can find more players to replace those, you can't replace the QB. I'd unload some of our better players for draft picks and go after Watson. I think Payton will find guy to go around him.

hitta · 01-20-2021, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I know we don't have a lot of cap space or whatever, but anything we can possibly do to get him, we do. I don't care if we have to give up key players to do so. We can find more players to replace those, you can't replace the QB. I'd unload some of our better players for draft picks and go after Watson. I think Payton will find guy to go around him.

I feel like Watson may be right there at the very top as far as skill set is concerned. He's never had anyone to go around him or a coach that knows how to take advantage him. He may be on Mahomes level. The guy has all the intangibles. He wants out of Houston. We have to do whatever we can to get him. If we don't get him I feel like we have failed.

FinSaint · 01-20-2021, 04:16 AM

You can't gut the team and bring in a QB who has demanded a trade because of lack of success.

I mean you can, but I think Watson will look at a team where he can succeed, and which has a lot of trade capital, like Miami.

I don't think the Saints are in a position to make a trade package to the Texans, which would land Watson.

TheOak · 01-20-2021, 04:52 AM

Brady can’t scramble, Brees is short, Manning didn’t have an arm.
When will it click that great QBs aren’t about physical traits but rather their ability to make decisions?

A QB deciding that he should have a say in a General Manager hiring is pretty +*^%ing stupid.

neugey · 01-20-2021, 07:26 AM

It's a lot of money and cap room. I think I'd even rather trade up to #1 and take his Clemson successor Lawrence, as expensive as that would also be.

Let's see what Payton can do with Taysom's talent and a whole offseason to reimagine our offense. Maybe draft Ellinger as a backup and then we have two QB's whose styles are a bit similar and they can both truck defenders

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TheOak · 01-20-2021, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

It's a lot of money and cap room. I think I'd even rather trade up to #1 and take his Clemson successor Lawrence, as expensive as that would also be.

Let's see what Payton can do with Taysom's talent and a whole offseason to reimagine our offense. Maybe draft Ellinger as a backup and then we have two QB's whose styles are a bit similar and they can both truck defenders .

I know people hate to trade away the future but we are a QB away from not being as unpredictable as we are. I wouldn’t have too much heartache trading a couple of 1st rounders for our next QB then retain what we have.

Yes we had 3 serviceable to good QBs this season but every time you start a different QB the offense has to re-learn timings. Having Drew on the field didn’t cost us the Bucs game, having him off the field late in the season cost us the game.

The answer to the questions “what’s wrong with our offense”, “what happened to high powered”, why are we slow starting”... is simply ‘out of sync’ and that takes time. It took Brady 3/4 of a season to get his offense synchronized.

Is Brees a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson.. yes but it’s better to start the same lesser QB than shuffle through the season and into the playoffs.

gosaints1 · 01-20-2021, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I know people hate to trade away the future but we are a QB away from not being as unpredictable as we are. I wouldn’t have too much heartache trading a couple of 1st rounders for our next QB then retain what we have.

Yes we had 3 serviceable to good QBs this season but every time you start a different QB the offense has to re-learn timings. Having Drew on the field didn’t cost us the Bucs game, having him off the field late in the season cost us the game.

The answer to the questions “what’s wrong with our offense”, “what happened to high powered”, why are we slow starting”... is simply ‘out of sync’ and that takes time. It took Brady 3/4 of a season to get his offense synchronized.

Is Brees a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson.. yes but it’s better to start the same lesser QB than shuffle through the season and into the playoffs.

Brees is not a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson right now. He WAS a better QB than they are right now, but he just can’t run the entire playbook anymore. Situational QB’s was a horrible idea, horrible one, and clearly a band-aid. If Brees were to return in 2021, I’d still rather see Taysom, Jameis or Deshaun (if he were here) get the starting nod over the future first ballot HOF’er.

dizzle88 · 01-20-2021, 09:01 AM

Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders.
I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around.

FinSaint · 01-20-2021, 09:40 AM

The Saints have until 2026 or 2027 to position themselves in such a way that they can pick Arch Manning - that planning has to start now.

hitta · 01-20-2021, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Brady can’t scramble, Brees is short, Manning didn’t have an arm.
When will it click that great QBs aren’t about physical traits but rather their ability to make decisions?

A QB deciding that he should have a say in a General Manager hiring is pretty +*^%ing stupid.

I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Of course He shouldn't command more respect in these situations than the GM himself, the headcoach/coaches,etc. Still a QB knows what he feels comfortable with and these are things the GM should at least look into before making decisions which affect the QB. A good QB has an intuitive feel of the offense, how it matches up against defenses, what players offer to the offense against these defenses etc. I mean teams trust a QB enough to make decisions on the field, audible into particular things and completely change what they are doing based on how they feel about the particular situation they are put in. To know the particular situation they are in they have to know the team. Not giving the QB some input on who is hired is like saying "I dont' trust you", and to do this to a guy like Deshaun Watson is ridiculous. If you think Brees has never had discussions about what would help the team,etc with Loomis or Payton you are kidding yourself.

Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. Having a tall stocky guy that can run a 4.1 40 and throw the ball down the field 100 yards with Olympic archery quality accuracy doesn't hurt. Also what about Deshaun Watson screams poor decision making.

01-20-2021, 01:14 AM	#1
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,324	I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson I know we don't have a lot of cap space or whatever, but anything we can possibly do to get him, we do. I don't care if we have to give up key players to do so. We can find more players to replace those, you can't replace the QB. I'd unload some of our better players for draft picks and go after Watson. I think Payton will find guy to go around him.
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01-20-2021, 01:27 AM	#2
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,324	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by hitta I know we don't have a lot of cap space or whatever, but anything we can possibly do to get him, we do. I don't care if we have to give up key players to do so. We can find more players to replace those, you can't replace the QB. I'd unload some of our better players for draft picks and go after Watson. I think Payton will find guy to go around him. I feel like Watson may be right there at the very top as far as skill set is concerned. He's never had anyone to go around him or a coach that knows how to take advantage him. He may be on Mahomes level. The guy has all the intangibles. He wants out of Houston. We have to do whatever we can to get him. If we don't get him I feel like we have failed.
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01-20-2021, 04:16 AM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson You can't gut the team and bring in a QB who has demanded a trade because of lack of success. I mean you can, but I think Watson will look at a team where he can succeed, and which has a lot of trade capital, like Miami. I don't think the Saints are in a position to make a trade package to the Texans, which would land Watson. iceshack149, RailBoss, jeanpierre and 3 others like this.

01-20-2021, 04:52 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Brady can’t scramble, Brees is short, Manning didn’t have an arm. When will it click that great QBs aren’t about physical traits but rather their ability to make decisions? A QB deciding that he should have a say in a General Manager hiring is pretty +*^%ing stupid. jnormand, Danno, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.

01-20-2021, 07:26 AM	#5
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson It's a lot of money and cap room. I think I'd even rather trade up to #1 and take his Clemson successor Lawrence, as expensive as that would also be. Let's see what Payton can do with Taysom's talent and a whole offseason to reimagine our offense. Maybe draft Ellinger as a backup and then we have two QB's whose styles are a bit similar and they can both truck defenders .

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01-20-2021, 08:10 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by neugey It's a lot of money and cap room. I think I'd even rather trade up to #1 and take his Clemson successor Lawrence, as expensive as that would also be. Let's see what Payton can do with Taysom's talent and a whole offseason to reimagine our offense. Maybe draft Ellinger as a backup and then we have two QB's whose styles are a bit similar and they can both truck defenders . I know people hate to trade away the future but we are a QB away from not being as unpredictable as we are. I wouldn’t have too much heartache trading a couple of 1st rounders for our next QB then retain what we have. Yes we had 3 serviceable to good QBs this season but every time you start a different QB the offense has to re-learn timings. Having Drew on the field didn’t cost us the Bucs game, having him off the field late in the season cost us the game. The answer to the questions “what’s wrong with our offense”, “what happened to high powered”, why are we slow starting”... is simply ‘out of sync’ and that takes time. It took Brady 3/4 of a season to get his offense synchronized. Is Brees a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson.. yes but it’s better to start the same lesser QB than shuffle through the season and into the playoffs. jnormand and SmashMouth like this.
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01-20-2021, 08:34 AM	#7
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by TheOak I know people hate to trade away the future but we are a QB away from not being as unpredictable as we are. I wouldn’t have too much heartache trading a couple of 1st rounders for our next QB then retain what we have. Yes we had 3 serviceable to good QBs this season but every time you start a different QB the offense has to re-learn timings. Having Drew on the field didn’t cost us the Bucs game, having him off the field late in the season cost us the game. The answer to the questions “what’s wrong with our offense”, “what happened to high powered”, why are we slow starting”... is simply ‘out of sync’ and that takes time. It took Brady 3/4 of a season to get his offense synchronized. Is Brees a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson.. yes but it’s better to start the same lesser QB than shuffle through the season and into the playoffs. Brees is not a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson right now. He WAS a better QB than they are right now, but he just can’t run the entire playbook anymore. Situational QB’s was a horrible idea, horrible one, and clearly a band-aid. If Brees were to return in 2021, I’d still rather see Taysom, Jameis or Deshaun (if he were here) get the starting nod over the future first ballot HOF’er. jeanpierre likes this.
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01-20-2021, 09:01 AM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders. I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around. neugey, Rsanders24, jeanpierre and 2 others like this.

01-20-2021, 09:40 AM	#9
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson The Saints have until 2026 or 2027 to position themselves in such a way that they can pick Arch Manning - that planning has to start now. jeanpierre likes this.

01-20-2021, 09:50 AM	#10
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,324	Re: I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson Originally Posted by TheOak Brady can’t scramble, Brees is short, Manning didn’t have an arm. When will it click that great QBs aren’t about physical traits but rather their ability to make decisions? A QB deciding that he should have a say in a General Manager hiring is pretty +*^%ing stupid. I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Of course He shouldn't command more respect in these situations than the GM himself, the headcoach/coaches,etc. Still a QB knows what he feels comfortable with and these are things the GM should at least look into before making decisions which affect the QB. A good QB has an intuitive feel of the offense, how it matches up against defenses, what players offer to the offense against these defenses etc. I mean teams trust a QB enough to make decisions on the field, audible into particular things and completely change what they are doing based on how they feel about the particular situation they are put in. To know the particular situation they are in they have to know the team. Not giving the QB some input on who is hired is like saying "I dont' trust you", and to do this to a guy like Deshaun Watson is ridiculous. If you think Brees has never had discussions about what would help the team,etc with Loomis or Payton you are kidding yourself. Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. Having a tall stocky guy that can run a 4.1 40 and throw the ball down the field 100 yards with Olympic archery quality accuracy doesn't hurt. Also what about Deshaun Watson screams poor decision making. Rsanders24, gosaints1, Rell&Gold and 1 others like this.
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