I would bet the farm on Deshaun Watson
 

I know we don't have a lot of cap space or whatever, but anything we can possibly do to get him, we do. I don't care if we have to give up key players to do so. We can find more players to replace those, you can't replace the QB. I'd unload some of our better players for draft picks and go after Watson. I think Payton will find guy to go around him.

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I feel like Watson may be right there at the very top as far as skill set is concerned. He's never had anyone to go around him or a coach that knows how to take advantage him. He may be on Mahomes level. The guy has all the intangibles. He wants out of Houston. We have to do whatever we can to get him. If we don't get him I feel like we have failed.

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You can't gut the team and bring in a QB who has demanded a trade because of lack of success.

I mean you can, but I think Watson will look at a team where he can succeed, and which has a lot of trade capital, like Miami.

I don't think the Saints are in a position to make a trade package to the Texans, which would land Watson.

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Brady can’t scramble, Brees is short, Manning didn’t have an arm.
When will it click that great QBs aren’t about physical traits but rather their ability to make decisions?

A QB deciding that he should have a say in a General Manager hiring is pretty +*^%ing stupid.

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It's a lot of money and cap room. I think I'd even rather trade up to #1 and take his Clemson successor Lawrence, as expensive as that would also be.

Let's see what Payton can do with Taysom's talent and a whole offseason to reimagine our offense. Maybe draft Ellinger as a backup and then we have two QB's whose styles are a bit similar and they can both truck defenders :).

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I know people hate to trade away the future but we are a QB away from not being as unpredictable as we are. I wouldn’t have too much heartache trading a couple of 1st rounders for our next QB then retain what we have.

Yes we had 3 serviceable to good QBs this season but every time you start a different QB the offense has to re-learn timings. Having Drew on the field didn’t cost us the Bucs game, having him off the field late in the season cost us the game.

The answer to the questions “what’s wrong with our offense”, “what happened to high powered”, why are we slow starting”... is simply ‘out of sync’ and that takes time. It took Brady 3/4 of a season to get his offense synchronized.

Is Brees a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson.. yes but it’s better to start the same lesser QB than shuffle through the season and into the playoffs.

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Brees is not a better QB than Hill, Winston, or Watson right now. He WAS a better QB than they are right now, but he just can’t run the entire playbook anymore. Situational QB’s was a horrible idea, horrible one, and clearly a band-aid. If Brees were to return in 2021, I’d still rather see Taysom, Jameis or Deshaun (if he were here) get the starting nod over the future first ballot HOF’er.

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Anyone seen Baldy's Breakdowns when Brees missed Kamara wide open multiple times, in favour of 5 yard passes to Cook and Sanders.
I love Brees, but he's done. It's time for him to hang them up and we go with a young QB to build around.

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The Saints have until 2026 or 2027 to position themselves in such a way that they can pick Arch Manning - that planning has to start now.

:bng:

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I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Of course He shouldn't command more respect in these situations than the GM himself, the headcoach/coaches,etc. Still a QB knows what he feels comfortable with and these are things the GM should at least look into before making decisions which affect the QB. A good QB has an intuitive feel of the offense, how it matches up against defenses, what players offer to the offense against these defenses etc. I mean teams trust a QB enough to make decisions on the field, audible into particular things and completely change what they are doing based on how they feel about the particular situation they are put in. To know the particular situation they are in they have to know the team. Not giving the QB some input on who is hired is like saying "I dont' trust you", and to do this to a guy like Deshaun Watson is ridiculous. If you think Brees has never had discussions about what would help the team,etc with Loomis or Payton you are kidding yourself.

Also decision making is THE most important trait hands down. Having a tall stocky guy that can run a 4.1 40 and throw the ball down the field 100 yards with Olympic archery quality accuracy doesn't hurt. Also what about Deshaun Watson screams poor decision making.

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Yup I hate to say it, but Brees is pretty much finished. He can't push the ball down the field at all. Hell, it's one thing to be able to throw the deep pass(which Brees definitely can't do), but he passes up 20-25 yard throws down the field in favor of drop offs. Kamara is the only individual we have that keeps defenses off guard and makes them have to adjust.

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How long do you think he would last when he starts demanding that Payton and Loomis pick the players and coaches he wants? He is the opposite of what Payton looks for in a player. No way in hell he comes here.

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Let's face it, the Houston Texans are a dysfunctional franchise. They have a brand new GM & his job is to make the Texans better, not the New Orleans Saints. Last time I looked, the Saints were 94M over the cap. We could blow up the entire roster and still be over.

We have limited capital/flexibility & way down the draft order. There are quite a few other teams who can propose better offers than the Saints.

I'd love to have Desean however I don't see how he would be a realistic option for New Orleans.

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You may have misread what I said or do not understand why Watson is upset but in case you didnt I will make this easy. You should look up what an NFL General Manager's job responsibility is. No a QB should never have a say in who the next GM is.. Ever. If Drew Brees comes back next year and Mickey Loomis is replaced in the off season Drew will have no say in who replaces Loomis. On what planet do employees participate in the hiring of executive management?

If you are saying that a franchise QB should have a voice in what the General Manager does in regards to player selection, which is what your reads as, then I agree. To say that a QB has a say in who the next GM is is absurd and doesn't happen anywhere.

One knows football the other knows contracts, Cap, and negotiations.

A Head Coach hiring maybe but that's it.

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Do you think Brooks sat in the office with Tom and bullet pointed Mickey Loomis's pros and cons? LOL:bng:

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I agree with you..., they shouldn’t. But the Texans owner did assure Watson back in December that the QB would indeed have a voice in the hiring processes of both the new GM and the coaches. So, basically the owner lied, deliberately, to Deshaun.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/...ick-caserio%2F

So, You’re right; imho player’s, even franchise players, shouldn’t be involved in the hiring of a GM. But when you give your word, and immediately go back on it, it proves you as deceitful, a liar, and not someone the player’s should trust. Heck, if I were an owner, I wouldn’t allow it, but if I gave my word, my assurances to the player’s, I would honor that commitment.

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Janice McNair is worth $3.9B, that’s what they do.. exploit gullibility. all of them.

I have lived in Houston for 11 years now , the Texans have always been a sh1tshow. Bon was no better than Janice. When people say a franchise wasted a players career, the Texans is always what enters my mind.

This is why athletes don’t have much of a say in high level discussions, it’s not that they can’t be trusted it’s that they don’t have the experience to provide value and be productive. They are a risk, heck players don’t even head their own union. I’m not Tillman Fertitta but I’ve participated in discussions and negotiations for contracts over $125M... it’s a dance and you take nothing for face value. Watson believing McNair doesn’t speak to McNair’s character, it speaks to Watsons gullibility. If it’s not in black and white with a signature it’s meaningless to those guys.

Those owners did not amass their fortunes with transparency and honesty, not a single one of them.

Desean Watson is 25 years old with a degree in Communication.
We all think of our selves as intelligent but honestly.. what skill sets do we have that would allow us to vet Loomis on contract negotiations and Cap management. Everyone says he works magic, no one says what he does is simple. I’m not a magician. Sorry I got started and couldn’t stop lol.

Tl:dr

What value does Desean Watson think he will contribute to the hiring process of an executive that will be charged with cap management and contract negotiations?

A lot of people were upset that we had an assistant coach doing a one hour interview during a playoff week... a QB of a 4-12 team should be focused on an executive management hiring lol. He should be saying no to that

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I recently made a point that if Carson Wentz was available we should maybe consider him too, however there have been a few reports that have called him "borderline uncoachable" and that he always thinks he knows best.

I'd love to sign Stafford from a few years ago on this team, he's still a very good player but as Detroit often does, they've let their franchise player take a beating over the years.

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Brother, for all intents and purposes, we are broke. Loomis will need to pull the eye or sauron out of his azz to make 2021 work.

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Yep, the team is likely to look very different next year.

I wouldn't mind seeing what Jameis could do, but seeing his past efforts and seeing Taysom play this year, I'm really not sold on either of them at QB.

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I think JW is the starter (or at least the front runner) in 2021 assuming he resigns in NO. Taysom is a great gadget/football player but I don't see him as the answer.

For me, it's the turnovers/indecisiveness to read defenses & the ability to throw receivers open.

2021 Saints football will be interesting :bng:.

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Fully understand, and agree. Which brings it back to trust, right? That new contract he just signed was deliberately built on restoring a “culture” that is more player friendly, that was the “value” he provided, or wanted to. One that was player friendly. Guess that didn’t work out, lol. Regardless players aren’t some subservient, bound by contract, shut up and play entity. They have powers also. Don’t believe me? Look at what happened to this locker room and management during preseason.

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Have we forgotten that Payton believes Drew's replacement is in the house? I don't think Taysom is the answer. Winston has the skills and has started for 5 yeats but without the right coaching. I wouldn't kick him to the curb in favor of Watson.

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Yea I concede, I misread what you wrote. He had a problem with the GM's decisions though too, especially after DeAndre Hopkins was traded. He was promised a role in the hiring on the GM and coaches, so the lies are not good form on the part of the Texans.

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I'd like the Saints to keep their draft stock and run with Winston at QB. They will restructure and hopefully make some trades but this team will lose some quality players in the coming months so the draft will be more important than ever. I'm glad Ireland is here for that.

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When looking at players that will be on the FA market or available via trade...

PLEASE do this first: ask yourself do the Saints have cap room?
The answer will always be no for 2021.

Taysom Hill will be the QB for 2021. Not because he is better than other options, but because he is under contract.

WE ARE $96M OVER THE CAP. We are so far over the cap without signing any FA to fill a full roster....

Hopefully I crushed the dreams of a few. We will be lucky to walk away with a 8-8 record. If Payton get us to 9-7 than ill be shocked (the cap is the problem, not Brees leaving).

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Ross Jackson does a great job of addressing this on Monday's Whodat Confessional podcast. He basically stated that Loomis and Khai Hartley have multiple ways to trim the fat and doesn't think that the team will look that much different. (I have a hard time believing that but Ross is probably correct. He's a smart guy).

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Unfortunately none of that means anything. There are consequences for every decision. If you lie to the face of your franchise player and just try to explain it away later as "just business" or "I made my fortune lying to people just like I lied to you. It's nothing personal" then you can't be mad later if it creates bad blood between you and said player.

Whether the texans were smart enough to know this ahead of time is debatable but either way it back fired on them and this is the result. Being gullible has consequences. So does being deceitful.

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Ross may be a genius, but this team will look dramatically different next year. You can find any Tom, Dick or Sally saying what you want to hear all day, or you can look at it for yourself and see if you can shed $96m while remaining competitive.
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints/

Loomis and Payton blew their load building a team for Drew, they never should have signed him for this last contract (in my opinion).

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Yeah starting to the feel the same, this obsession with a farewell tour, whilst a nice sentiment and would have been great, has pretty much ruined this franchise for the next few years.

3 picks in the draft.
Way over the cap.

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Yeah I noticed that a time or two and I was shocked that he didn't check down to Kamara when the Bucs were shifted away from him.

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And this was why in other threads in mentioned Thomas and Armstead in trades. Both free up lots of money if traded after June 1st.

Personally i think it will take two years to properly clear all the dead money and have the extra space to start a proper rebuild

Should have a few extra draft picks with comp picks from players and staff in 2021/22. Its Ideal world you keep most of the core but its not ideal with the cap issues and with the finances looking like they will drop short term as is happening across all major sports.

I would be moving on from anyone who will be past their best in 2 years or injury prone. It would likley be a hard two years but plenty of teams are showing that with a bit of space and good drafts you can recover quicker now than ever before

But saying all that if the was a way or nabbing Watson now you do it. Far easier to replace any player on the roster than a franchise QB

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I'm down for Watson if they can make it happen

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Don't, there is nothing to concede. The Texans organization can barely keep up with that hot mess they call a franchise, certainly we can not expect to be able to. The only reason I knew more about what is going on is because I live here and have to hear about the BS daily.

I have just never vested too much into any employee having issue with the decisions of management. No single organization owns that moniker.

This is just my personal spin on the situation. Deshaun Watson pays an agent a lot of money to ensure that agreements between Deshaun and the organization are not only reasonable but kept. Whom ever his agent is he should be terminated for not ensuring something that is important wasn't in the contract and for not advising his client against publicly airing his grievances.

I just looked up his agent and the third reason David Mulugheta needs to be terminated as Watson's agent is because he is trying to push him to the Jets. Another sh1ttastic hot mess of an organization.

Oh my lord, I just looked at Watsons contract, no one will touch that... $67M in dead money this year and $50M in dead money next year with $40M cap hits in 2022/2023 lol. He better shut up and deposit his check quietly for the next two years.

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Agree decision making that is timely and ultimately successful is really really awesome.
Implementing it is even better.

NFL is about the team. Each and everyone has to pull in the same direction, otherwise the professionals on the other side will find you out.

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Dak? Anyone?

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Deshaun Watson wants to be in an offense like the one that Sean Payton runs. He has a no trade clause. If we can put up the resources, and get DW to want to come here, we can force Houston's hand. Deshaun Watson has all the control. If he wanted to come here, we could put something together. I would definitely trade away Thomas, Armstead, or whoever just to get DW.

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Houston would be idiots if they don't get a kings ransom for Deshawn, that plus our current CAP challenges means the cupboard would be bare around him. Which means we become the new 2020 Texans.

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