2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

lee909 · 04-04-2021, 07:15 PM

Bored again at work

Trade
Saints Received
36
50
81
258

Dolphins Received
28
98
105

36
Jayson Oweh
Penn State

50
Walker Little
Stanford

60
Quinn Meinerz
Wisconsin - Whitewater

98
Jamin Davis
Kentucky

Trade
Saints Received
98
105

Dolphins Received
81

105
Tay Gowan
UCF

133
Milton Williams
Louisiana Tech

218
Patrick Jones
Pittsburgh

229
Riley Cole
South Alabama

255
Josh Imatorbhebhe
Illinois

258
Robert Jones
Middle Tennessee

Overall
New Orleans Saints
B+

lee909 · 04-04-2021, 07:27 PM

Yeah im really bored

28
Caleb Farley
Virginia Tech

60
Carlos Basham Jr
Wake Forest

98
Jamin Davis
Kentucky

105
Milton Williams
Louisiana Tech

133
Tay Gowan
UCF

218
Tarron Jackson
Coastal Carolina

229
Josh Imatorbhebhe
Illinois

255
Larry Rountree III
Missouri

Overall
New Orleans Saints
B+

gosaints1 · 04-04-2021, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Maybe but if you Draft Trask in the 2nd round this year and he shows he can do a job even just to the same level as Winston or Hill then you save a fortune in 2022 with his deal being not much above 1ml a year. If the front office think he is a future starter i would argue it makes plenty of sense

I get your logic and agree, but we fairly recently (2015 iirc) drafted a third round QB, didn’t work out but the FO must have though very highly of him, given the fairly high draft pick, 75 overall, used. I’m not as confident in the Saints player analytics wrt QB’s as I am wrt OLinemen, lol.

The way I’m looking at the QB pos’n right now is unless there is a slam dunk guarantee starter, in this draft, who will be better than Jameis or Taysom..., then don’t address a possible “need” or a possible “cap saver”. This team has some quite obvious, unambiguous needs. Prioritize those.

lee909 · 04-04-2021, 07:41 PM

MOCK DRAFT RESULTS
pff.com/mock

DRAFT GRADE
Saints Received
31
94

Kansas Received
28

31
Rashod Bateman
Minnesota

Trade
Saints Received
42

Giants Received
60
94

42
Zaven Collins
Tulsa

98
Tay Gowan
UCF

105
Osa Odighizuwa
UCLA

133
Jamin Davis
Kentucky

218
Michal Menet
Penn State

229
Josh Imatorbhebhe
Illinois

255
Tarron Jackson
Coastal Carolina

Overall
New Orleans Saints
B

K Major · 04-04-2021, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Yeah im really bored

28
Caleb Farley
Virginia Tech

Lee I know this is only a "mock" but I hope the Saints stay away from guys with medical red flags in college. Especially that high in the draft. No biggie if we are taking a gamble on a 6th or undrafted player. But 1st or 2nd round ? No way.

Ha'oli Kikaha comes to mind.

lee909 · 04-04-2021, 08:08 PM

Yeah i'd be the same in a actual draft.
Just really really bored messing around.

For me that's what comp picks are for, players slipping out of the first and second rounds due to injuries i have no issues throwing a comp pick at them, even if you have to red shirt IR them for a year. But i agree the first two rounds should be as sure a bet as you can

ChrisXVI · 04-04-2021, 08:23 PM

Zaven Collins will be the pick in the first whether I agree with it or not. A CB like UCF’s Aaron Robinson or Stanford’s Paulson Adebo will be the pick in the second.

lee909 · 04-04-2021, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Zaven Collins will be the pick in the first whether I agree with it or not. A CB like UCF’s Aaron Robinson or Stanford’s Paulson Adebo will be the pick in the second.

Nah it'll be

R1 Terrace Marshall
R2 Jabril Cox
R3 JaCoby Stevens

Coaches are going to stop the moaning at no LSU Players

Reality is

R1 Wyatt Davis
R2 Pete Werner
R3 Shaun Wade
R3 Baron Browning
R4 Tommy Togiai
R6 Trey Sermon

jeanpierre · 04-05-2021, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

I get your logic and agree, but we fairly recently (2015 iirc) drafted a third round QB, didn’t work out but the FO must have though very highly of him, given the fairly high draft pick, 75 overall, used. I’m not as confident in the Saints player analytics wrt QB’s as I am wrt OLinemen, lol.

The way I’m looking at the QB pos’n right now is unless there is a slam dunk guarantee starter, in this draft, who will be better than Jameis or Taysom..., then don’t address a possible “need” or a possible “cap saver”. This team has some quite obvious, unambiguous needs. Prioritize those.

Tom Brady was the 199th pick, Round 6. Joe Montana a third round pick. Drew Brees was the 32nd pick, and Brett Favre 33rd pick, both in the second round...

Kurt Warner was an Undrafted Free Agent...

So your QB can come from any location, though I admit, most come in the first round...

jeanpierre · 04-05-2021, 10:49 AM

Samuel may be a reach, but he'll justify the pick...

Don't get the grade on Jabril Cox, he'll be fire opposite DeMario...

Know the popular pick would be a WRz, but I want those two TE packages to move methodically downfield, eating clock...

Spencer Brown is my still, and allows the team to move on from Mr. Glass...

Robinson can move in behind Cam Jordan, learn, develop...

Bates makes the TE group young and elite...

With so much veteran money tied into RB, Jermar Jefferson gives a less expensive, more explosive RB to spell Kamara...

Tommy Doyle is listed as a tackle, but he can be a Carl Nicks type LG...

04-04-2021, 07:15 PM	#401
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,777 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Bored again at work Trade Saints Received 36 50 81 258 Dolphins Received 28 98 105 36 Jayson Oweh Penn State 50 Walker Little Stanford 60 Quinn Meinerz Wisconsin - Whitewater 98 Jamin Davis Kentucky Trade Saints Received 98 105 Dolphins Received 81 105 Tay Gowan UCF 133 Milton Williams Louisiana Tech 218 Patrick Jones Pittsburgh 229 Riley Cole South Alabama 255 Josh Imatorbhebhe Illinois 258 Robert Jones Middle Tennessee Overall New Orleans Saints B+ jeanpierre likes this.

04-04-2021, 07:27 PM	#402
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,777 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Yeah im really bored 28 Caleb Farley Virginia Tech 60 Carlos Basham Jr Wake Forest 98 Jamin Davis Kentucky 105 Milton Williams Louisiana Tech 133 Tay Gowan UCF 218 Tarron Jackson Coastal Carolina 229 Josh Imatorbhebhe Illinois 255 Larry Rountree III Missouri Overall New Orleans Saints B+ jeanpierre and K Major like this.

04-04-2021, 07:37 PM	#403
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by lee909 Maybe but if you Draft Trask in the 2nd round this year and he shows he can do a job even just to the same level as Winston or Hill then you save a fortune in 2022 with his deal being not much above 1ml a year. If the front office think he is a future starter i would argue it makes plenty of sense I get your logic and agree, but we fairly recently (2015 iirc) drafted a third round QB, didn’t work out but the FO must have though very highly of him, given the fairly high draft pick, 75 overall, used. I’m not as confident in the Saints player analytics wrt QB’s as I am wrt OLinemen, lol. The way I’m looking at the QB pos’n right now is unless there is a slam dunk guarantee starter, in this draft, who will be better than Jameis or Taysom..., then don’t address a possible “need” or a possible “cap saver”. This team has some quite obvious, unambiguous needs. Prioritize those.
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04-04-2021, 07:41 PM	#404
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,777 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints MOCK DRAFT RESULTS pff.com/mock DRAFT GRADE Saints Received 31 94 Kansas Received 28 31 Rashod Bateman Minnesota Trade Saints Received 42 Giants Received 60 94 42 Zaven Collins Tulsa 98 Tay Gowan UCF 105 Osa Odighizuwa UCLA 133 Jamin Davis Kentucky 218 Michal Menet Penn State 229 Josh Imatorbhebhe Illinois 255 Tarron Jackson Coastal Carolina Overall New Orleans Saints B

04-04-2021, 08:02 PM	#405
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,064 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by lee909 Yeah im really bored 28 Caleb Farley Virginia Tech Lee I know this is only a "mock" but I hope the Saints stay away from guys with medical red flags in college. Especially that high in the draft. No biggie if we are taking a gamble on a 6th or undrafted player. But 1st or 2nd round ? No way. Ha'oli Kikaha comes to mind.

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04-04-2021, 08:08 PM	#406
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,777 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Yeah i'd be the same in a actual draft. Just really really bored messing around. For me that's what comp picks are for, players slipping out of the first and second rounds due to injuries i have no issues throwing a comp pick at them, even if you have to red shirt IR them for a year. But i agree the first two rounds should be as sure a bet as you can

04-04-2021, 08:23 PM	#407
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Zaven Collins will be the pick in the first whether I agree with it or not. A CB like UCF’s Aaron Robinson or Stanford’s Paulson Adebo will be the pick in the second. saintsfan1976 and gosaints1 like this.

04-04-2021, 08:35 PM	#408
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,777 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Zaven Collins will be the pick in the first whether I agree with it or not. A CB like UCF’s Aaron Robinson or Stanford’s Paulson Adebo will be the pick in the second. Nah it'll be R1 Terrace Marshall R2 Jabril Cox R3 JaCoby Stevens Coaches are going to stop the moaning at no LSU Players Reality is R1 Wyatt Davis R2 Pete Werner R3 Shaun Wade R3 Baron Browning R4 Tommy Togiai R6 Trey Sermon

04-05-2021, 10:10 AM	#409
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by gosaints1 I get your logic and agree, but we fairly recently (2015 iirc) drafted a third round QB, didn’t work out but the FO must have though very highly of him, given the fairly high draft pick, 75 overall, used. I’m not as confident in the Saints player analytics wrt QB’s as I am wrt OLinemen, lol. The way I’m looking at the QB pos’n right now is unless there is a slam dunk guarantee starter, in this draft, who will be better than Jameis or Taysom..., then don’t address a possible “need” or a possible “cap saver”. This team has some quite obvious, unambiguous needs. Prioritize those. Tom Brady was the 199th pick, Round 6. Joe Montana a third round pick. Drew Brees was the 32nd pick, and Brett Favre 33rd pick, both in the second round... Kurt Warner was an Undrafted Free Agent... So your QB can come from any location, though I admit, most come in the first round... gosaints1 likes this.

04-05-2021, 10:49 AM	#410
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Samuel may be a reach, but he'll justify the pick... Don't get the grade on Jabril Cox, he'll be fire opposite DeMario... Know the popular pick would be a WRz, but I want those two TE packages to move methodically downfield, eating clock... Spencer Brown is my still, and allows the team to move on from Mr. Glass... Robinson can move in behind Cam Jordan, learn, develop... Bates makes the TE group young and elite... With so much veteran money tied into RB, Jermar Jefferson gives a less expensive, more explosive RB to spell Kamara... Tommy Doyle is listed as a tackle, but he can be a Carl Nicks type LG...
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