Register All Albums FAQ Community Experience
Go Back   New Orleans Saints Forums - blackandgold.com > Main > Saints

2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre Conversely the same argument could also be made that in light of many of Sean Payton's draft blunders that he ranks players in an arbitrary manner... The general consensus is to that effect... He's admitted in ...

Like Tree599Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-03-2021, 09:41 AM   #1
10000 POST CLUB
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Bossier City, LA
Posts: 26,709
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Conversely the same argument could also be made that in light of many of Sean Payton's draft blunders that he ranks players in an arbitrary manner...

The general consensus is to that effect...

He's admitted in several post draft interviews that he has a type of player for certain positions...

Perhaps he should consider his types and after this most recent draft performance, reevaluating his process of taking over the draft...
I don't see the draft blunders. You call them blunders because they do not meet your expectations. The Mel McShays of the world grade a draft on their expectations, not on what the individual team feel about the prospects. That's their opinion. Just like yours is yours. It doesn't make it right. You may like a certain player that they have completely removed from their board for one reason or another. All teams work that way.

As for the draft performance, I loved it. It appears that they got the players that they really wanted. They were clearly excited by every pick and moved on them quickly.

“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill
AsylumGuido is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2021, 06:39 AM   #2
1000 Posts +
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4,555
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
I don't see the draft blunders. You call them blunders because they do not meet your expectations. The Mel McShays of the world grade a draft on their expectations, not on what the individual team feel about the prospects. That's their opinion. Just like yours is yours. It doesn't make it right. You may like a certain player that they have completely removed from their board for one reason or another. All teams work that way.

As for the draft performance, I loved it. It appears that they got the players that they really wanted. They were clearly excited by every pick and moved on them quickly.
Don't forget "HIS WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY!!!!!" HE WAS GIVEN SAGE ADVICE FROM ARCHIE HISSELF!!!"
vpheughan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2021, 08:08 AM   #3
5000 POSTS! +
 
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 5,137
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
I don't see the draft blunders. You call them blunders because they do not meet your expectations. The Mel McShays of the world grade a draft on their expectations, not on what the individual team feel about the prospects. That's their opinion. Just like yours is yours. It doesn't make it right. You may like a certain player that they have completely removed from their board for one reason or another. All teams work that way.

As for the draft performance, I loved it. It appears that they got the players that they really wanted. They were clearly excited by every pick and moved on them quickly.
Do you honestly not see any draft blunders they have made in the past? You realize that’s YOUR opinion too, right?
Boston Saint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2021, 09:44 AM   #4
10000 POST CLUB
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Bossier City, LA
Posts: 26,709
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

Originally Posted by Boston Saint View Post
Do you honestly not see any draft blunders they have made in the past? You realize that’s YOUR opinion too, right?
Nope. Nothing that I would call a blunder. They've had picks that didn't work out. That's just part of the draft process. Now those two times that Minnesota missed getting their picks in on time ... that's what I call a blunder. The Saints may have made picks that some fans and pundits have disagreed with, but to me those are definitely not blunders. As Charlie Weis was saying on NFL Radio about twenty minutes ago, teams don't care in the least about what fans and so called experts have to say about who they draft or when they draft them, nor should they. I couldn't agree more.

So, if some fans have a difference of opinion about when or what players were drafted, then fine. That's their right. It however does not make it a "blunder" on the part of the people that are making the picks based upon FAR, FAR, FAR more insight than the detractors.

“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill
AsylumGuido is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2021, 09:56 AM   #5
5000 POSTS! +
 
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 5,137
Arrow Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
Nope. Nothing that I would call a blunder. They've had picks that didn't work out. That's just part of the draft process. Now those two times that Minnesota missed getting their picks in on time ... that's what I call a blunder. The Saints may have made picks that some fans and pundits have disagreed with, but to me those are definitely not blunders. As Charlie Weis was saying on NFL Radio about twenty minutes ago, teams don't care in the least about what fans and so called experts have to say about who they draft or when they draft them, nor should they. I couldn't agree more.

So, if some fans have a difference of opinion about when or what players were drafted, then fine. That's their right. It however does not make it a "blunder" on the part of the people that are making the picks based upon FAR, FAR, FAR more insight than the detractors.
One of the silliest things I’ve ever read regarding football.
Boston Saint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2021, 10:16 AM   #6
10000 POST CLUB
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Bossier City, LA
Posts: 26,709
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

Originally Posted by Boston Saint View Post
One of the silliest things I’ve ever read regarding football.
What's that? Can you clarify? Concerning Weis' comment? That's a pretty common perspective by those that know what they are doing and do it for a living.
AsylumGuido is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2021, 10:51 AM   #7
5000 POSTS! +
 
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 5,137
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
What's that? Can you clarify? Concerning Weis' comment? That's a pretty common perspective by those that know what they are doing and do it for a living.
That you don’t consider spending, say a second round pick on a reach CB that other “experts” had rated much lower who produced a grand total of one tackle in his NFL career a blunder/bust/bungle. That’s not just an “Oh well, not every pick hits!” moment. That’s a major screw up. You completely absolve the saints draft process of any responsibility with that attitude. Silliest thing I’ve ever heard re football.

It also amuses me that you are listening to an “expert “ in Weis when he says to not listen to the experts. No irony there 🙄.

You think you know, but you don’t know...and you never will! Coach Jim Mora
Boston Saint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2021, 11:15 AM   #8
10000 POST CLUB
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Bossier City, LA
Posts: 26,709
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

Originally Posted by Boston Saint View Post
That you don’t consider spending, say a second round pick on a reach CB that other “experts” had rated much lower who produced a grand total of one tackle in his NFL career a blunder/bust/bungle. That’s not just an “Oh well, not every pick hits!” moment. That’s a major screw up. You completely absolve the saints draft process of any responsibility with that attitude. Silliest thing I’ve ever heard re football.

It also amuses me that you are listening to an “expert “ in Weis when he says to not listen to the experts. No irony there 🙄.
Weis is an ex-coach. Big difference from the so-called experts that never spent a minute in the front office in real decision making. Former coaches and GM's consistently downplay the whole draft pre and post evaluations in the media and fanbase.

And, no, I don't call what you mentioned a blunder. It's simply a pick that didn't work out. It happens all the time for one reason or another. Welcome to the real world of NFL football, my friend. You take the bad with the good and move on. Or, you can dwell on the past b!tchin' and moanin' about isolated things that no one else that matters cares in the least about. To me THAT is silly. Your choice.




“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill
AsylumGuido is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:52 AM.


Copyright 1997 - 2020 - BlackandGold.com
no new posts