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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No, the Saints' LSU draft picks, or lack there of, have almost no affect on the overall percentages. I will repost these numbers ... 1.) There are 778 colleges and universities in the United States with ...

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Old 07-22-2021, 04:54 PM   #1
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Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
No, the Saints' LSU draft picks, or lack there of, have almost no affect on the overall percentages. I will repost these numbers ...

1.) There are 778 colleges and universities in the United States with football programs according to footballfoundation.org as of June 28, 2018.

2.) Over the past twenty years those 778 sources have provided approximately 5,120 players to the NFL via the draft (20 years times 256 players).

3.) Over the past twenty years there have been 120 LSU players drafted. That comes out to an average of six LSU players drafted per year.

4.) In those last twenty years 2.3% of the players drafted league wide have been from LSU.

5.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted approximately 140 players.

6.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted three LSU players.

7.) Over the last twenty years 2.14% of the players the Saints have drafted have been from LSU. That's pretty much the league average. That means they are likely right about the median as far as drafting LSU players compared to the rest of the league. Half the teams have probably drafted more LSU players and half the teams have probably drafted less.

So, removing the Saints numbers from the overall league wide numbers we will recalculate.

Players drafted past twenty years minus Saints draftees: 5120 - 140 = 4980

LSU players drafted last twenty years minus Saints draftees: 120 - 3 = 117

Percentage of LSU players drafted overall with the Saints not included: 117/4980 = 2.349%

Your statement: "in fact, if you did the gymnastic scoring thing, and took the Saints out of it, that number would double..."

Oh, my! It looks like you were wrong!

Again, this is your post using data that is wrong as Sean Payton has only been HC since 2006, that's fifteen (15) years...

You. Are. Wrong.
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Old 07-20-2021, 05:10 PM   #2
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Six of your seven points you argued twenty year numbers when Sean Payton has only been here since 2006...

You. Are. Wrong.
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Six of your seven points you argued twenty year numbers when Sean Payton has only been here since 2006...

You. Are. Wrong.
Give it up, JP. I don't want to argue with you anymore. Your premise that Sean Payton has an aversion to LSU players is clearly unable to be substantiated due to the rest of the league's draft rates concerning LSU. Your aversion to Sean Payton and the Saints front office is far more apparent.

My feeling goes out to you if you or yours have been personally wronged by any of them.
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Give it up, JP. I don't want to argue with you anymore. Your premise that Sean Payton has an aversion to LSU players is clearly unable to be substantiated due to the rest of the league's draft rates concerning LSU. Your aversion to Sean Payton and the Saints front office is far more apparent.

My feeling goes out to you if you or yours have been personally wronged by any of them.
You're trying to create a mythic situation to deflect from admitting you made a seven point argument with six of those points based on Sean Payton being here 20 years...

You. were. wrong.

And you refuse to admit you were wrong, and that's pathological...
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
You're trying to create a mythic situation to deflect from admitting you made a seven point argument with six of those points based on Sean Payton being here 20 years...

You. were. wrong.

And you refuse to admit you were wrong, and that's pathological...
There's no convincing you of anything, no matter how logical. Your "aversion" to Sean Payton is just too great to overcome.

Does it stem back from the cutting of ties with Rita and her gang? I remember you had some harsh words about Gayle over that affair. We all know how tight Payton and Loomis are with Gayle. They are like sons to her as one of them described. Or has it even preceded that?
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
There's no convincing you of anything, no matter how logical. Your "aversion" to Sean Payton is just too great to overcome.

Does it stem back from the cutting of ties with Rita and her gang? I remember you had some harsh words about Gayle over that affair. We all know how tight Payton and Loomis are with Gayle. They are like sons to her as one of them described. Or has it even preceded that?
This is getting old. Neither one of you is going to convince the other of anything no matter how much you try. Do you really need to put all of us through a running argument? Be the bigger man and let it go. You both could be right but no matter the research neither is changing their mind. Please stop getting me excited about a new thread without being drug into one of your never ending "I'll prove him wrong" tirades. Peace out.
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
There's no convincing you of anything, no matter how logical. Your "aversion" to Sean Payton is just too great to overcome.

Does it stem back from the cutting of ties with Rita and her gang? I remember you had some harsh words about Gayle over that affair. We all know how tight Payton and Loomis are with Gayle. They are like sons to her as one of them described. Or has it even preceded that?
You've convinced me you are wrong and you pathologically won't admit you're wrong...
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Exactly what was I wrong about? Using twenty years as a basis of research? Fine. That didn't meet your parameters. Pointing out that Payton has no greater aversion to drafting LSU players than anyone else in the NFL? I am not wrong on that. That is your limited perception. That does not make it true. The fact is that when you compare the limited number of LSU players drafted over the past 15 years half the teams in the league mostly likely drafted no more than one if any other teams drafted more than three over that stretch.

It all comes down to this ... you claim Sean Payton has an established aversion to drafting LSU players. I've been saying you have no proof to there being any actual aversion. The only way I can be wrong is if you can prove that Payton indeed has that aversion.

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